Monday, July 29, 2013

Bikes: The Less Things Change, The More They Stay The Same



(Via a reader)

This past Friday I administered a quiz, and if you chose the wrong answer you saw this video, produced by the Department of Defense:



It's worth revisiting this video, if only because it really does distill the American attitude towards bicycles and cycling as neatly as anything I've ever seen.  Basically the idea is that riding a bike is tantamount to suicide, even if you have a helment and lights like this person does:


And that what you really need is a pair of Lycra half-shorts, a Dayglo safety vest, a helment, and a spelunker's helment light:

The Magna goes without saying.

This is just your country reminding you that if you're not driving a car then you're merely pending roadkill, and implicitly suggesting you shouldn't even bother in the first place.

USA, baby!

Also in Friday's post, I mentioned that the latest incredibly specific bicycle the bike industry wants to convince you that you need is the "gravel bike:"


So you've got a road bike, and you've got a cyclocross bike.  Why do you now need a gravel bike?  Well, nobody knows, including people who sell bikes for a living:

What Makes a Gravel Road Race Bike?

The question of what exactly defines a gravel road racer is a legitimate one. Even some dealers on hand at Bike DealerCamp in Utah, who were ogling over the two Tamland models, were asking the same question. Gravel road races have long been more about customizing an existing bike in one’s stable, such as a cyclocross bike that can clear extra-wide tires, but with the number of races rising and more riders seeking out dirt-road adventures, so too has the demand for dedicated gravel machines.

Compared with its traditional road brethren, the Tamland has a longer wheelbase thanks to longer chainstays and a slack head tube. The head tube of the Tamland, like you might guess, is also taller than other Raleigh models and the steel fork touts 50 millimeters of rake.

The bottom bracket is lower than a cyclocross frame, or even some road models, to keep the bike stable on bumpy, uneven road surfaces.

The Tamland has mounts for fenders or a rack, so while Raleigh’s newest model is intended for gravel racing, it would also make for a great touring frame, commuter bike, or would even be a good option for someone wanting to experiment in cyclocross racing.

It really must be hard to sit around a room figuring out how to tweak a certain type of bike just enough so that people think they need them, but not enough that the tweaks make any real difference.  It must be even harder to shop in a bike store these days:

Customer: "Ooh, that's nice.  Is it a cyclocross bike?"

Salesperson: "No, it's a gravel bike."

Customer: "What's a gravel bike?"

Salesperson: "Well, it's like a road bike, but it's got more tire clearance and a more stable geometry."

Customer: "Like a cyclocross bike."

Salesperson: "Well, kind of, but it's a gravel bike.  Remember Brick Tamland from 'Anchorman?'  'I love lamp.'  Hilarious!"

Customer: "Right.  So can you do a cyclocross race with it?"

Salesperson: "Well, it's a good option for someone wanting to experiment in cyclocross racing, but once you actually start cyclocross racing you're going to need an actual cyclocross bike.  For that you'll want the 'Fantana.'  Remember 'Sex Panther?'  Hilarious!"

Customer: "Right.  So what's the difference between experimenting in cyclocross racing and cyclocross racing?"

Salesperson: "A skinsuit and buying another bike you don't need."

Customer: "Fuck this, I'm leasing a Hyundai."

I blame disc brakes for all of this.  They're like sun-dried tomatoes were back in the '90s--just put them on the same old dish and all of a sudden it's supposed to be something new and exciting.

This is not to say the Tamland doesn't look like a fun bike--it certainly does.  It's just that the older I get the less able I am to keep up with the hair-splitting.  Similarly, I used to like hardcore music (remember, I'm old), as well as some of the other subsequent subdivisions of "core" music (metalcore, speedcore, grindcore, blahblahblah) but by the time they got to sun-dried tomato core I was like, "Fuck it, I'm listening to Teddy Pendergrass."

Still I'll take any of this disc-brakes-and-a-movie reference bike marketing over this Budnitz nonsense any day:


A reader forwarded me this, and I was horrified to learn that Old Man Budnitz "loves" me despite the fact that I've done my best to make it clear that I vociferously object to everything he represents:

Bikerumor:  What could you do without?

Paul Budnitz:  Bike snobs (not THE Bike Snob. We love him!).

Bicycle people tend to have strong opinions, which is a good thing — but there is sometimes a general intolerance for new or different ideas.

For example, some people gave us flack when we started out for making city bicycles that cost more than $300.  As far as I’m concerned, if we’re going to elevate bicycles to the level of high art and engineering, like a BMW car or Moto Guzzi motorcycle, we need to be willing to invest in that.  Also, there’s enough opposition to cyclists from the outside.  In any case, time and a myriad of good reviews seem to have solved that issue for us on its own.

As bicyclists ought to support one another, whether you’re riding a fixie you built yourself from a bike shop’s dumpster, a vintage Raleigh you bought at a flea market (beautiful!), or a high end boutique bicycle like a Rivendell, IF, Beloved, or one of our bikes.

People who don't like Budnitz bicycles are not intolerant of new and different ideas.  They're intolerant of self-fellating design douches who have no ideas and who think they invented the expensive city bike.  I mean, I suppose there aren't a lot of other companies taking the high-end custom 29er and stripping it of all offroading capability, but that's only because that idea is completely stupid.

Of course, it's possible he doesn't love me, and when he says "THE Bike Snob" he actually means this kid:


(Spotted by a reader at RAGBRAI.)

Though I bet if Old Man Budnitz tried to "high five" him he'd get a kick in the "pants yabbies."

Lastly, via yet another reader comes the best kind of bicycle marketing--the home-grown type you find on the eBay:


Can post it or you can pick up from either Middlesex, Slough, Bracknell or Reading ( depends where I hang out durring daytime).

No Pick ups at evenings nor night as i'm a bit busy polishing frame holder :).

I'm sure you are, eBay user "zdunor."  I'm sure you are.

117 comments:

recumbent conspiracy theorist said...

Good Afternoon!

Mr. Kavanah said...

Could it be?

DB said...

Hello, Everyone!

Anonymous said...

Top tin Cleveland yeah!!!

CommieCanuck said...

Excellent cropping of that British lass, notice how he skillfully cropped out the teeth.
oh, top whatever.

Kenny Banya said...

Top tennish

ken e. said...

zzzz! sprinting? what's that?

Anonymous said...

je suis dans le premier dix

ChamoisJuice said...

:P

McFly said...

That's a nice frame. It looks to be my size, too. Literally stiff. Horizontally complaint.

horny internet kitty said...

CAN I HAZ FRAME HOLDER?

Anonymous said...

Read.

mikeweb said...

So, this past Friday my daughter and I were perusing an exhibit of photos by Bill Brandt at the MoMA when I happened upon this portrait of Martin Amis, looking rather Mick Jagger-ish. Thankfully I have this blog to thank for even caring who he is. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

McFly said...

Hey JackAssNYC statistics have proven(proved?) that 60% of the time Sex Panther works everytime so put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.

DB said...

Nice post today, THE Bike Snob.
The Mrs and I had a little time to kill this weekend and watched Premium Rush.
Ya know, it wasn't that bad. Even with the Fixies and stereotypical bike messenger stuff, we were entertained.

Freddy Murcks said...

On the autobus hoping to make the timcut. That statement is equally true of today's comment and my lusterless "racing" career.

57 ringsud

crosspalms said...

I'd have been here sooner but I was a bit busy polishing the frame holder.

Anonymous said...

Top XX? Nice way to start the week.

babble on said...

Hey! I can help polish that frame holder!

Anonymous said...

Nice braze ons.

Anonymous said...

Oh, but snobby, you missed the transition 'cross bikes have made to using road bike geometry, road bike BB clearance and almost no wheel clearance. Because, you know, UCI limit of 32c affects millions of 'cross racers.

Let's not forget the ridiculous use of disc brakes in cross. They are the equivalent of spinning hubcaps.

But, the bike mags still blow a load all over them every poorly designed year.

robot. stack. failure.

Comment deleted said...

Disembodied torso? Does that make any sense?

Dave said...

Remember, when visiting Asia's discard pile, that everything normally clockwise is now anti-clockwise. Pedals will be threaded the opposite way, you will turn the handlebars or steering wheels the other way, and always use the hand you don't use up north to do anything important. For example, when polishing your frame holder, use an inverted clockwise motion. If you are topologically challenged, hang your black-light Zodiac sex guide poster next to a mirror (wearing infra-red night-vision goggles of course.) Good luck. You may need psychic recalibration upon your eventual repatriation.

mikeweb said...

I was interested to learn that Budnitz used to "sell used clothing in Asia". I can't think of a better euphemism for being a former Opium addict.

robot trap = 'Pudeda'

Supply your own 'n'.

streepo said...

I particularly like the little nubs along the top tube.

3G said...

*polishes top tube...a few times

Leases a Hyundai said...

2 words:
TRBO SNTA

Angie Kritenbrink said...

This is only tangentially related to your post today, but I have a low attention span. Last week I was getting off the bus in front of the grocery store and the bus was going slow because a cyclist was in the lane ahead of us. So as the bus rolled to a stop and I got off, some cool dude (no, not a cool dude) with a small paper bag in his hand that suspiciously had a bottle shape was standing there. As the door opened for me to get off, he started joking with the bus driver "There goes one of the mayor's friends HAHA." (Seattle's mayor made a big deal about being bike friendly). Meanwhile he was standing on the only patch of pavement that I had as an option, otherwise I had to jump in a patch of dirt. I briefly considered jumping out of the bus and landing on top of him, since I am a large woman and he was an older man, but decided against it and jumped right in the dirt in my professional work clothes.

Thank you for listening to my story; I feel better now.

Jed said...

Snob jr. appears to have enjoyed more than his share of Stinger waffles.

leroy said...

For some reason, Mr. Budnitz reminds me of Mr. Peterman.

That's probably not fair to Mr. Peterman.

But it would explain why my dog's
failed urine test precludes him from accompanying a certain celebrity blogger to Australia.

RoadQueen said...

RCT for the win! KISSES!

Mr. Kavanah and DB, way to make the podio, you earned it!

Mondays suck. I wish every day were Saturday.

10 deadstd <--- No lie. It's gonna be one of those days...

Buffalo Bill said...

Of course old man Budnitz loves RTSM, he keeps mentioning his crap and posting photos of it.

It is good for a laugh though, and if the old man sells a few bikes to some pretentious douches with too much money, what difference does it make to me?

Carlos Wanger said...

Hey, Angie@1.25, next time just tell me to get the fuck out of your way...or jump on me, I'd like that.

Paul Bowen said...

One bike innovation that I predict is going to become standard quickly from here is electric shifting. Everyone I know who has it raves about it and it's already moving down into cheaper groups - I reckon five years from now wire shifting on road bikes will be as much a retro niche item as downtube levers are now.

Udder said...

According to the landscaping industry, gravel comes in rice size, pea size, golfball size, lemon size, etc., etc.

Are there different gravel bikes for each grade of gravel?

balls™ said...

Scranus, niple, frame holder.

Would you call that a disembodied... body?

ChainWhipped said...

Umm, about "Gravel Bikes" . . .

The top complaint I hear from customers considering a 'cross bike is that there's no stand-over clearance. That's inherent with most true cyclocross bikes. They have a near-level top tube for easy shouldering and a much higher bottom bracket for pedal clearance in hairpin corners. 2+2=zero standover clearance.

The only people who actually benefit from elite-level 'cross geometry are elite level 'cross racers. Most people are not that.

So they try to get the cyclocross bike they hope will have more stand-over clearance and buy a bike that's too small. They then proceed to ride one 'cross race - which they hate anyway - and the bike is promptly equipped with a rack and fenders to serve as an ill-fitting daily driver with inadequate stand-over clearance and so little BB drop that the thing corners with all the stability of a rollerskate.

The #2 complaint is always that the brakes suck.

Enter "Gravel Bikes". Standover clearance . . . check! Bottom Bracket drop . . . check! Brakes that don't suck . . . double check!

This is just the bike industry finally offering a bike that is what everyone wanted their cyclocross bike to be in the first place - stable, all-purpose, utilitarian, and as easy to get a leg over as their mountain bikes have always been.

You will own one, Eben, I promise.

Roille Figners said...

ChainWhipped -- That invention is called a touring bike, n'est-ce pas?

BikeSnobNYC said...

ChainWhipped,

Uh, what you've just described is a "road bike," and I already own one.

--Wildcat Rock Machine

DerZoots said...

@ chainwhipped.
I don't know where you live but you have some serious wussie types buying and riding bicycles.

My bikes too far off the ground! : (

hahahaha

robot preventer wordfz: anyExtu87

Paul Bowen said...

@Roille Figners: beat me to it!

McFly said...

I ride my roading bike on the gravels all the time. But then again I don't know any better. I have actually had people say "I did not know you could ride them on gravel....." Like the frame is going to implode.

GATR SKIN

ChamoisJuice said...

@DerZoots: I don't think it matter where you live; serious wussy types = road bike purchasers.


mikeweb said...

Agreed: touring bike. Perhaps with a tad more tire clearance and a tad shorter wheelbase.

mikeweb said...

McFly, same here.

25mm rubber for 'pea' sized gravel. 28mm for 'Lima bean' sized.

babble on said...

Lol McFly - me, too!

No one ever said I'm not supposed to ride it on gravel.

Cipo said...

If she took that bra off she'd sell it for twice the price. I'd buy it if she would "deliver".

mikeweb said...

leroy,

I agree. We know that Mr. Peterman also 'used to sell used clothes in Asia'.

Mr Plow said...

My Tire pressure app doesn't have a gravel setting. What should I do?

Navvyjack said...

Gravel road bikes are for stoners.

Freddy Murcks said...

Judging from the comments here and the level of excitement being shown about the young lady the ebay listing, I'd have to guess that you people are unaware of the slew of different types of pornography here on the internet (there is even a whole sub-genre of bike related pornography). The internet was practically invented for the distribution of pornography (Google ascii porn - it's funny). In any case, I am glad to know that there are still so many innocents in the world.

23 orgalg

Mr Plow said...

Little known fact: teddy pendergrass was the original lead singer of black flag.

TEDY CORE

wle said...

frame holder == ''disemheaded''
wle

Test Tickle said...

McFly: +1 one on the Gator Skin. Hardshell: even better on the Vitamin G, IMO.

GRVL BTCH

Anonymous said...

Hey ebay user zdnor! Your sister is hot!

Anonymous said...

Yes Freddy, we are all just babes in the woods.

balls™ said...

gravel bike = MTB + drop bars
2012 adventure bike = 2013 gravel bike

Did I get that right?

I always hated cantilever brakes, therefore my money will never buy a cross bike. I like gravel and I like drops, but my go-fast bike won't clear much bigger than 25's. I'd buy a salsa vaya if I had to use some cash on yet another bike.

Matt said...

Let's see, long wheelbase for stable handing, sloping top tube, high bottom bracket, clearance for big tires...that gravel bike sounds a lot like a Rivendell.

Roille Figners said...

It's fun though. "I'd like something with an aggressive geometry, short wheelbase and high gearing like a road bike, but with a more upright riding position like a touring bike, and a high BB like a mountain bike. And if possible I'd like to run it fixed."

The answer

CommieCanuck said...

pffft. gravel bikes. I have crabon wheels for asphalt, concrete, bumpy asphalt, dirty concrete, sidewalks,etc. Just another arrow in my quiver of pain as Canada's Prince of the cobbles.

I have cobble wheels too.

DB said...

Does Rapha make gravel biking clothes?

recumbent conspiracy theorist said...

I don't always ride a gravel bike but when I do it's this one.

ge said...

40C tires? You could "experiment" with randonneuring too.

Of course, you could just put drop bars on a hybrid and have yourself a sweet one of a kind customized gravellie-conversion, then post it to gravelbikegallery.com.

Photo-decapitation

Anonymous said...

This new breed of gravel bikes are purpose built for specific types of riding. They are for people who do events like the Dirty Kanza 250 and Trans-Iowa (300+mi) that are one-stage unsupported races.

Certainly, people who don't ride these insane races can benefit from a gravel bike too, since they're versatile. But they don' tneed them. There are some people who do need them, and they know who they are.

Anonymous said...

OkOkOkOk, I am not a marketing expert, but I know you can't sell new touring bikes. Touring bikes remind people of Freds, the real Freds with helmet mirrors, wool socks, day glo vests. These guys are the complete opposite of cool. People buy new products because they are under the mistaken impression that this will make them more sexually desirable. Sexually desirable = faster than other dorks on bikes. not more comfortable and practical than other dorks. Therefore, the touring bike must be repackaged as a race bike.

Besides, if you ask any true fred what touring bike to buy, are GARRANTEED to sell you on a bike no newer than 20, twenty years old with suntour friction shifters

TREK 420!

Comment deleted said...

Sweet Triumph, RCT.

My R80ST was a wee bit heavy for gravel, but it didn't stop me from hitting every forest road I saw.

crosspalms said...

I rode on some gravel Saturday, but it was golfball-to-baseball size gravel. Got about 100 feet, decided "this is stupid" and turned back. Someday they'll finish the Burnham Greenway...

Mr Plow said...

I bought a 1970s Peugeot in part because I remember riding my dads and digging the down tube shifters. Ha ha I am an idiot. It seems the French don't like to make their bikes compatible with the rest of the world. I eventually finished it and have to say friction shifting works fine if you are not racing. Turns out Freds are smart

Anonymous said...

Polishing the frame holder.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 4:00 PM,

Specific types of riding....

Sit on seat.
Pedal.
Have fun.
Try not to get kilt by d'cars.
Get off seat.
Be happi(er).

Seriously, you are only making enemies shilling that B.S.

Watch those fancy French words. We don't do no radoneerin' here in Canada's underpants. We discover fire roads and drive cars.

And yes, I too was once told "You can't ride that here" on my 'cross bike on a fire road. Apparently the lack of suspension or crabon or something was a problem for him.

wle said...

frameholder => kindasorta muffin top

Anonymous said...

I know who I am, but still don't know if I need them. I could use a new frameholder like the one on ebay though.

Roille Figners said...

Started out this mornin' feelin' so polite
I always thought a fish could not be caught who wouldn't bite

Focus said...

"It really must be hard to sit around a room figuring out how to tweak a certain type/size/number/length of bike/wheel/cogs/tube just enough so that people think they need them, but not enough that the tweaks make any real difference. It must be even harder to shop in a bike store these days:

Anonymous said...

MOREFRAMEHLDRORIMAFUCKINKILLYA!

Innocent said...

Freddy Murcks @ 305: there's porn on the Al Gore invention? Say it isn't so.

England for TDF a Year Ago said...

Headline on the "Italian Cycling Journal": "ltaly Start for Tour of Poland". Make of that what you may. .

kettle said...

wle 5:09 - the phoney photo of your 6-pack didn't get attached. Pls repost.

McFly said...

I have a grovel bike. It's the Intense Uzzi I begged my wife to let me buy and I love it.

Side bar....I really like the way frame holders bikini bottom is cutting into the fat on her hip. It's a very specific arousal demographic but today's post is all about specific demographics so When In Rome.....

And a Ron Burgandy reference to boot.

Dooth said...

Oh happy day! I just happen to require the services of a professional frame holder...

ChainWhipped said...

@Roille Figners
Did your touring bike lose 8 lbs and learn to take tight corners at speed?

@BSNYC
Did your Ritte suddenly grow extra tire clearance for 40c tires and full fenders? Is your BB30 adapter creaking yet?

Your aversion to the gravel bike concept surprises me. Do you hate the English threaded Bottom Bracket, or the totally standard 1 1/8" straight headtube? Are 700c wheels too standard? Are 32-spoke wheels suddenly an eyesore?

You said quite recently: "If I was a real writer I'd pitch some bike magazine an article wherein I only ride one (1) bicycle for an entire year, no wheel swaps or tire changes or anything else. If something wears out it has to be replaced with exactly the same thing."

This is that bike.

If I was a real writer, I'd blast the industry for pushing expensive, ultralight, proprietary, and impractical crap on all of us and allowing us to think it should last forever, maintenance free.

These so-called "Gravel Bikes" should have been offered 15 years ago.

Grump said...

Snobby, you missed the point on that bike safety video. It was really about riders who come over from England (or Japan) who continue to ride on their respective sides of the road. A bike rider is always better off if they rider on the proper side of the road, so that they don't have to worry about seeing that soccer mom about to run them over while she is texting and driving with her knees.
.

Todger said...

In all the froth about the nice torso in the photo, no-one has yet mentioned that the towns mentioned are exactly David Brent's turf in the orginal version of the Office. Co-incidence?

Anonymous said...

Too true!

BamaPhred said...

I ride my road bike in gravel, but some wider tires would be better. The drop bars are more comfortable, but the mtn bike just kills these roads. And I also endorse the Gator Skins, not that my opinion matters. Yes, I see it now. A road bike, but with 29" mtn bike tires. Or for the smugfest, 650b. A whole new gravel bike marketing gimmick. The G series, 29er or 650b.

BikeSnobNYC said...

ChainWhipped,

I'm more just amused by the new category and "gravel bikes" as a "thing." I like the bike (apart from the disc brakes). My Ritte doesn't fit the criteria you laid out but my cyclocross-type bicycle does, plus it doesn't have disc brakes.

Again, looks like a fun bike, it's an all-arounder,it's versatile, I get it. I'm just amused by the new category, especially when it seems like it's trying to convince the sorts of people who probably already own road bikes and cyclocross bikes that they need yet another bike.

I was equally amused when Specialized rebranded the cyclocross bike as the "all-road bike" or whatever they called it.

--Wildcat Rock Machine

BikeSnobNYC said...

BamaPhred,

You're way behind the times with the road bike that takes 29er tires. That was the "monstercross" bike. Totally out of style now. Now you're supposed to have a "gravel bike" and a "fat bike."

Wonder what next year will bring...

--Wildcat Rock Machine

Frame Model said...

I wish this top tube was a stiff cock. And also this down tube.

BamaPhred said...

Thanks, not being hip to cross racing I always wondered what that was.

ChamoisJuice said...

ChainWhipped,

I agree with you that BSNYC has lost his way when it comes to making fun of bikes.

However, why do you have such a raging boner for a Raleigh? The only cornier PNW bike company is their sister company, Nishiki.

I think what bothers BSNYC is not the bike itself, lightish 700c drop bar, disc brake steel bike with room for fat tires, fenders, racks; rather the need to create a new category. A new sub division of bike. BSNYC has been moving away from obsessively categorizing bicycles and their riders, preferring to call everyone Freds on Fred chariots.

I am amused by labeling specific styles of bicycle and people.

This style of bike is popular in the PNW. Combines hipster fads of cross and touring, while actually making a lot of sense as a PNW commuter.
Traitor Ruben $1300
Kona Rove $1700

Jed said...

Yes, but please hand wash gently with artisnal spring water and Best Made Lavendula washing soap.

JDH said...

OHHHHHH! That gravely bike will be mine! The Trans-Wisconsin-Adventure-Ride is next month. Yes, I shall ride the TWAT.

Anonymous said...

Again and I hate commenting but too too fucking true bravo

Nacnud said...

I buyed an new bikecycle, oh, a while back now.
It have the breaks of disc.
They am good.
Because I never (ever) have to adjust the fuckers.

SD Tomatuh said...

spot on today snobby, spot on.

KUTG
WERK

all hail diversity in the bicycle design critique blogosphere. it fits hand in glove with the subtle economic recovery taking place before our very eyes (so I've been told).:)....

Blog Drafter said...

Warming up before my ride...

Blog Drafter said...

Stretching it out...

Blog Drafter said...

Tucking things in...

Blog Drafter said...

I think I'll do my favorite 55 miler...

Blog Drafter said...

And 100!

McFly said...

Here's a gravel story. There is a 1 mile stretch of it I have to cross to get to Ky Lake via backroads. But it washed out so no cars but was still fjordable by bike. Well it had rained but I thought meh...I am a country boy I can handle it. I get to the wash out and there is a 30 ft wide channel slowly crossing the road. I pull my feets out and leave the shoes clipped in a shoulder the bike 'cross stlye and get roughly 5 ft into the water and it has the force of Niagra Falls and I about shat my Endura's.

So what I need is a bicycle with a major in gravel transitioning and a minor in violent creek crossings.

leroy said...

Dear Mr. McFly --

My dog advises that you might be interested in investing in his can't miss next big thing: the watercross cycle.

I'm not sure he's worked the bugs out of the electronic shifting.

Anonymous said...

wle said...
frameholder => kindasorta muffin top

So... when was the last time you saw an actual woman? Not just the airbrushed ones on your computer you use to "polish your top tube"?

McScrabble said...

Finally perused the eBay listing. I hope people made it to the last picture, where the top comes off....

ChamoisJuice said...

Leroy,

You don't know shit about water bikes. Pedal boat is the P far of water craft.

BIKE BOAT
FUCK TARD
My favorite is the recumbent catamoran. Pissing off traditionalist bicycle riders AND boaters.

Pujan said...

This one just too much sexy.... :P The bike too cool and sexy just like the girl... :D how much it cost in $$???

For keygen look here:http://softactivation.blogspot.com

Kevin said...

Want a 'gravel bike'?

Get on your road bike and HTFU.

Frank Thomson said...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201047999455116


thought you might like this.

Irish said...

Cool!

Chris Bonner said...

Healthy human bodies have fat on them, guys. Females more so, especially in the hip area. If you have no fat on your body you are literally dying.

What in the hell is wrong with some people

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Anonymous said...

Just want to add my 2cents: I'm new to seriously biking and live in a rural area. I like to ride 20-30 road miles a few days a week, but I live on a dirt road and typically travel several others in the normal course of my ride. I bought a Giant Revolt as an upgrade from my mtb and LOVE IT. I could have gotten a road bike, but I was afraid of constantly changing flats. The Revolt is more comfortable than my buddy's cross bike and seems about perfect for my style of riding.

So, if you already have a road bike and a cross bike, you probably don't need a gravel bike, but there are people out there like me that want an endurance road bike that they don't have to worry about keeping on the pavement.

Tanveer Ali said...

Just want to add my 2cents: I'm new to seriously biking and live in a rural area. Google

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