Wednesday, November 14, 2007

Pluggin' Away: Bicycle Product Placement

If you’re me, in some ways these are tough times: Bike Snob Chicago, Bike Snob Austin, and the Cyclelicio.us AutoSnob are all conspiring to make me redundant. Fortunately, I’ve got something to fall back on, and that’s my fake job as a cycling consultant to Hollywood. Despite the writers’ strike, things are going well on that front. Cycling has never been more fashionable or more politically correct, so everybody wants bikes in their movies. Not only that, but the bike companies have more money to spend, and they’re spending it on product placement. The result? Everybody wins! (Except you.) Here are some upcoming projects I’ve got on my pie plate:

"Speed Racer"

The big-screen adaptation of the popular anime TV series, directed by the Wachowski Brothers (“The Matrix”).

Product:

Nitto anodized handlebars and stems

Placement:

Speed Racer encounters a clan of hyper-fashionable alleycat racers in the backstreets of Tokyo. They are clad all in black and ride all-black bikes, except for their untaped and brightly anodized Nitto handlebars. Their leader lisps menacingly and strokes his pet gila monster when he talks. Speed Racer ultimately foils them when the gang is unable to follow him onto a KK Expressway on-ramp.


"Castaway II"

Tom Hanks’s son (played by his real-life son Colin), a UPS shipping executive, finds himself stranded on the same island his father was stuck on 15 years ago.

Product:

Performance Bicycle (mail-order retail outlet)

Placement:

Shortly after the plane crash, a box from the shipment the plane was carrying washes up on shore. It is a carton of parts from Performance Bicycle. Inspired by Craig Calfee, Colin Hanks builds a frame out of bamboo and explores the island by mountain bike. Eventually he figures out how to make some really big pontoons and pedals his way across the high seas and back to civilization.


"Untitled Kate Hudson/Owen Wilson Romantic Comedy Vehicle"

Another in an endless series of light romantic comedies set in a picturesquely trendy city in which a series of misunderstandings eventually brings two people together.

Product(s):

Bianchi; R.E.Load messenger bags, top tube pads, and clothing

Placement:

Zooey Deschanel plays Kate Hudson’s sarcastic and brooding fixed-gear-riding roommate. In one scene she comes home and tells Hudson about the crush she has on the local celebrity messenger and alleycat champion (played by Adam Brody from the “O.C.”), explaining that, “He’s really hot. He rides a Pista Concept, his sneakers match his rims, and his dreadlocks smell like kitty litter.” Then she sighs, pulls the hood of her R.E.Load sweatshirt over her head, and does a big bong hit.


"Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull"

The long-awaited fourth installment in the iconic “Indiana Jones” series.

Product:

Rivendell Bicycle Works

Placement:

The producers have commissioned Grant Petersen of Rivendell to build a period-correct all-terrain bicycle for Indiana Jones to ride during his jungle adventures. Production was stalled for over two years while Petersen and George Lucas argued bitterly about the merits and chronological accuracy of 650B wheels. Petersen himself plays the reclusive framebuilder and black market artifacts dealer Jones finds in the Tunisian desert and hires to build his bike.


"Never Cry Wolf"

Jeff Goldblum plays a scientist whose calls for action go unheeded on the eve of the greatest natural disaster the East Coast has ever seen.

Product(s):

NiteRider lighting systems; Jandd panniers

Placement:

Goldblum’s character is an avid bicycle commuter. At one point he encounters a colleague on a Cambridge, Massachusetts street on a dark night. “Man alive, those lights are bright!,” exclaims the colleague. “I could see you coming all the way from Somerville.” Goldblum replies, “Indeed. That’s the idea. And these panniers are quite capacious as well. I’ve got the load-carrying capacity of a Prius. And much better mileage!” They both guffaw heartily.


"Made in America"

An issue-driven drama about the dangers overseas outsourcing presents to America’s people and economy. Denzel Washington plays the idealistic Washington attorney fighting to change international trade law.

Product:

Cannondale Bicycles

Placement:

The paint on foreign-built bicycle frames sold by various US companies is found to contain dangerous levels of toxins, date rape drugs, endangered animal by-products, and natural male enhancements. In the climactic courtroom scene, Denzel Washington makes a dramatic point by licking a Cannondale road bike frame from headtube to rear dropout and exclaiming, “Thank God my bike was made in the USA!”

122 comments:

Mikey said...

thank god indeed

Anonymous said...

scrreeeeeeech PODIUM!

Anonymous said...

Glad I ride a Cannondale... although for what I paid for it a little free date rape drug and/or male enhancement would have been nice!

Anonymous said...

http://www.savedarfur.org/content?splash=yes

pete said...

Owen is already posing on Swobo Bikes so Bianchi might have to up the price...

http://www.howtoavoidthebummerlife.com/weblog/archives/anothersuperstarsighting.jpg

http://www.howtoavoidthebummerlife.com/weblog/

VELOSTRUMMER said...

SCAB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Strayhorn said...

C-dale started with a flag on the seat post. Then the flag moved to the top tube. The words "Handmade in the USA" were added. Finally, the flag and motto on the top tube were augmented with "Handmade in the USA" (in LARGE TYPE for the visually-impaired) on the seat stays.

The Great Trek Bicycle-Making Corporation (tm) seems to be following suit.

It's almost as if they were in a contract dispute with the UAW.

Sheldon Brown help us.

Anonymous said...

Not to beat a dead straight-gauge frame, but no product placement for good ol' Mission?

A light steel frame fixed gear bike with artist designed vinyl decals could be a perfect background set piece for a modern-day urban apartment sitcom. Something between 'Friends' and 'The Fixies'.

gewilli said...

this was the movie disclosure...

i'm sure we'll get the sitcom/made for TV edition down the road!

brilliant sh!t man...

Anonymous said...

Protest! Mikey didn't hold his line.

Fritz said...

"natural male enhancements" hahahahaha!

The "Speed Racer" movie has already been made. The bad guys indeed wear black like in your version, but they ride motorcycles, while the good guys (and girls) wear the colorful garb that nihonjin riders favor, while the girls all wear miniskirts on their bikes.

Thanks for the link to the Autosnob; I'm thrilled you noticed it! It's still very much a work in progress.

Briana Banks said...

Don't forget about the adult film industry. We are working on concept film called "Too Much Travel".

Plot: Local freeriders debate whether 6 or 8 inches are "enough" to get the job done. Passing jogger (Banks) overhears conversation; fun ensues. Fox Forks loves the concept.

Anonymous said...

BSNYC-

Good stuff. Here's another movie pitch ripped from the today's NYT headlines:

Vigilante Gang of Fixie Riders Recover Stolen Bike from Quizno Theif

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/stolen-bike-geeky-chat-room-comes-to-the-rescue/index.html?hp.

..the only difference will be that in the movie the fixie posse won't talk themselves out of confronting the theif wearing their underware on the outside.

jsw47

erik k said...

haha, bike snob Chicago is what the zune is to the ipod

your the only one were listening to anyways the true original bikesnob

BikeSnobNYC said...

jsw47,

Nice! Of course, the skeptic in me wonders if the show of support would have been so overwhelming if the theft victim had been a guy with a face like Charles Bukowski, but it's inspiring nonetheless.

--BSNYC

mm said...

Anonymous 12:48, this would be a court drama wherein all the purchasers would retaliate by suing Mission together as a group (for: use your imagination...being ripped off, the bikes exploding, their precious decals peeling off within the first hour) and take the company down. The credits would roll with Queen's "We Are The Champions" playing.

Allen said...

were you the first snob? either way, you're my first snob.

Anonymous said...

The low-end 2007 Cannondale F7 hardtail is made in Taiwan. First time in Cannondale's history they are outsourcing their bike manufacturing.

quaffimodo said...

"his dreadlocks smell like kitty litter.”

I'm guessing that you've spent some time in Eugene, OR.

sh said...

Too Much Travel!

Wha-ha-ha! That's worth promotion to the front page. Good one.

ryank said...

Denzel would certainly be licking this bike:

http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/02/images/large/r700usa_02.jpg

My roommate has it - when he goes out on rides, we just call it "hunting terrorists".

bikesgonewild said...

...keep it up, funnyboy, & we ARE gonna lose ya to the flic industry on left coast...

...& i think the kate hudson / zooey d thing actually happened...

db said...

ryank -

Is your roommate Chuck Norris?

ryank said...

Also, when my team was getting custom frames from Cannondale, we couldn't put any writing on the chainstays, as they were reserved for "Handmade in the USA".

Anonymous said...

Cannondale, FUCK YEAH!

ayendeewy said...

i though that all the carbon cannondales (i.e. synapse) were made in china...

Anonymous said...

In case you hadn't noticed, you're also starting to rub off on other established blogs as well.

Drunk Cyclist's post about Master's Magazine has an uncanny resemblance to you today.

Except that the magazine at the center of the joke ACTUALLY EXISTS!

http://geezerjock.com/public/335.cfm

(Okay... Geezerjock? How are there readers not a little miffed by that?)

Prolly said...

Pista Concepts rule. I love wrecking mine doing wheelies.

Jim said...

It is a carton of parts from Performance Bicycle.

Are you sure this isn't the plot to The Ten Commandments? Because it's going to take a frikkin' miracle or six to make a functioning MTB out of Modolo Morphos STIs, a mix of this year's 105 and last year's Deore, some generic aero bars and $8 Performance brand tires. And is there a big plot moment where he has to choose between wearing one of their (deeply discounted,regular price $99.99, now only $21.50) house brand jerseys, or a two year-old Primal Wear design? If they make this movie, my money is on an Italian freighter finding him out on the ocean, rescuing the volleyball and throwing the guy into the ocean for having sinned against Tullio Campagnolo.

Still, I'd pay to see it. But only if I have a 50% OFF! TWO DAYS ONLY! coupon for the theater tickets, and only if I can pay $25 to get a special membership to get into the theater for $2 less, which will be refunded in a couple years when they make the sequel...

Hey, shouldn't this be rated XXX? Isn't anything having to do with Performance kind of like the adult film of the bike industry - yeah, we may hit it up from time to time and secretly like the idea of DEEP THROBBING DISCOUNTS, but it's not something you would admit in decent company...

Anonymous said...

holy cow, yesterday I got an email from Performance telling me to check out the pre-holiday deals, I bought another bike, 6 performance jerseys, and 1 slime tire liner, because they were on sale, and you never know when PB is going to have another sale. In fact, every time they send me an email I spend at least $75 to get the free shipping, because I'm afraid I might not get the same deal again.

Anonymous said...

The deal on Cannondales is this, for 2007 anyway.

Made overseas:
Synapse carbon bikes
Rush Carbons
Taurines (carbon)

All pretty expensive rides, actually.
This year, the F6 and F7 entry level hardtails, and a few hybrids, are make in China.

Now, the trick is, carbon race bikes, like the Six13, SystemSix, and SuperSix, are made in the USA.

Basically, some have the "Made in USA" stickers, some don't. If it doesn't, it isn't.

gttim said...

In the climactic courtroom scene, Denzel Washington makes a dramatic point by licking a Cannondale road bike frame from headtube to rear dropout and exclaiming, “Thank God my bike was made in the USA!”

I sent this bit to a woman with the office next to mine. She shut her door and is now moaning. I wonder what is going on? She just exclaimed "Lick the dropout again!"

Anonymous said...

Jim 3:27: Friggin hillarious... I never thought of it that way but I always felt dirty shopping at P-Bike... now I know why.

Forte should also sell matte black paint and electrical tape so it's easier for us to cover the logo when we do buy something. They'd make a fortune.

BettyBetty said...

I can't take it. Loved the Cannondale reference.

Jim said...

Anon 4:43 - yeah, you should feel dirty shopping from Performance or the other mail order places... mainly because you're screwing your LBS. Unless a Performance retail store *is* your LBS...

But I'm one to talk. Since taking up racing I've become the worst kind of shop whore. A bike bargain degenerate...

Anonymous said...

Jim 4:51: I'm blessed with a plethora LBS' including P-Bike.

Let's see, one down my street that's been there for 40 years who I wouldn't trust to tighten a seatpost.

Then there's the one on the other side of town that would be fine to tighten the seat post but will charge $75 to do it.

Between the two is the snob-shop who won't work on a Cannondale because it's not Italian CF; if they lowered themselves to tighten the steapost they'd first have to replace it with one that meets their standards and tell me how it saves me .004 grams.

A little further north are the guys that seem to have to proove how much better than EVERYONE they are. If BSNYC did it, I'd laugh; when these guys do it you just want to beat them.

That pretty much leaves me P-Bike retail for some purchases (I use "real" bike shops also) and stick with friends much more experienced than me for service. All is well.

I prefer to use brick-and-mortar when possible, even if it means I'll pay a few bucks more. But when most LBS' fail to deliver service like they should, I'll shop mail order until they figure out why in-store traffic is down so much.

Anonymous said...

Great stuff. How about a remake of Rambo where Sylvester gets to ride a Specialized stumpjumper to salvage pow's and he fails cause a vietcong on a PX10 shoots out his rear inner tube and the mechanical backup team mucks up real bad in not getting him a spare tube on time ? Therfore he has to cycle back on a flat.

Anonymous said...

dude... im not even joking

http://bikesnobnw.blogspot.com/

510 said...

Damn! It's spreading faster than brazilian flip flops!

Jon is a Typhoon! said...

I have a pair of brazilian flip flops!

Anonymous said...

Everyone needs to stop posting links to other "BikeSnobs" because all these guys want is attention. Don't everyone go run over there now and tell him he's a "sellout" and he'd "never be as funny as BSNYC". Just ignore these people. It's already SO OLD.

Anonymous said...

we must remain strong, continue with the cold shoulder, leave no comments and deny existence... there can be only one ring to rule them all

Anonymous said...

There is only one Snob, and we must worship Him!

erik k said...

its funy how one trend (fixies) spawns something reactionary (this blog) which then in turn becomes its own trend in itself (everyone wants to by bsnyc)

erik k said...

*be bsnyc

Anonymous said...

Its the natural evolution of man! we all want to belong! heck if you read ANY of the comments on ANY of BSNYC's blog it sure seems like there already are tons of mini bike snobs out there... its not a bad thing... we need mini bike snobs... they make the real one that much better...

Here here BSNYC

YOU have become the trend you so detest!

What I Think said...

Oh my. That Cambridge/Somerville stuff is terrifyingly accurate. Are you a member of MassBike?!

Anonymous said...

If the bikesnob really knew Cambridge he'd have set the scene between Broadway and Mass Ave along one of those against-the-flow-of-traffic bike lanes

Bluenoser said...

How about a REDO of your original home town favorite, "The French Connection". Someone could get to ride like a nut through the streets on FFG's pick of the year and shoot a gun.

-Bluenoser

Bluenoser said...

That was NYC wasn't it? What do I know, our biggest building here is 30 stories.

Maybe gene has a sidekick like Clint that could ride the bike and act as a stunt double.

-Bluenoser

pete! said...

thank god the other two snobs are nowhere near as prolific as you.

flatblackcapo said...

sad to say cannondale is outsourcing now . just their lower end stuff. but it is just a matter of time.

BSNYCBF said...

Would you have us believe that a conspiracy is at the root your redundancy? The plot thickens...

Anonymous said...

Reading the other bloggers mentioned reminds me that the reason I don't post a blog is because I can't write,am not funny and now that I reflect on it neither are they.You definitely don't need to worry about hearing the footsteps(or creaking bottom brackets) from these guys.

leroy said...

BSNYC -- I considered your predicament while riding today and jotted down some thoughts as I re-discovered that traction can be a problem when climbing out of the saddle on hills strewn with wet leaves.

I know the following isn't the best thing I ever wrote, but as Arlo Guthrie once observed in a similar situation, "I didn't have time to change it."

Herewith my thoughts:

A prolific poster named Bike Snob,
Claims he’s found an alternative day job.
He’ll place the products we see
In movies and Tee Vee,
And leave the dross to the faux Bike Snob mob.

Well if its true all good things must end,
We’ll bid adieu to our N Y C friend.
But we’ll curse our luck,
Cause the other guys suck.
Who would read a bike snob pretend?

Now there’s a way out of this fix, I confess,
That could end commentator distress.
My cousin Loophole the Lawyer
(who once acquitted a blind voyeur)
Says: "Trademark - that'll end the fake bike snob mess."

Anonymous said...

i don't imagine bikesnobnw has much of a future--he misspelled "whether" as "weather" and called methadone speed. i think a lot of bikesnobnyc's appeal lies in his use of the language.

Anonymous said...

I can podium the shit out of Chicago, its like doing a citizens race on the 'PO

lt col tim... said...

erik k said...
"haha, bike snob Chicago is what the zune is to the ipod"

What...same size memory, easy to use, and almost half the price? never owned an ipod but seems like people pay a lot to exist in Jobs' club (iphone price gouging case in point).

Maybe i'm missing it but after a year i'm perfectly happy w/ my zune. seriously, what am i missing?

oh... ufc, ultimate fixed gear championships. 16 guys of all different cycling disciplines are locked a dirty coffee shop w/ coaches eddy b and eddy m. each week they compete in that circus cage thingy thats shaped like a sphere, four at a time w, polo mallets. cyclists are eliminated by being knocked off their bikes or having their bike catastrophically destroyed. extra points for clubbing a downed rider before he can exit the cage. tempers flare when a pair of skin-tight jeans comes up missing and contenders are called out one-by-one.

the product placements are endless, everything from malt liquor, disposable performance parts, to health car plans.

Anonymous said...

Oh god, save that Zune-fanboy shit for Digg.

lt col tim... said...

umm... it works. btw i'm middle aged and have no idea what the rest of your "sentence" is supposed to mean. butbif it makes you feel better about droipping $600 on an iphone, then o.k. funny, it always seems the most flaming posters are cloaked in anominity. have a great evening, i'm retiring to listen to my zune. you can always write somone who cares about you opinion.

lee said...

One snob is enough, thank you. I still haven't figured how to make bike polo cool, though.

erik k said...

im sure the Zune is a fine, perfectly functional product. It does what it is meant to do, but nothing more. In many ways these copy cat blogs are perfectly successful blogs in their own write, they load, there are posts, people comment (or in the case of bikesnobnw don't) and clearly people are even looking at them. What these blogs are lacking though is originally, substance, and any type of intellectual aesthetic appeal. They will never be shining cultural icons such as the Ipod, just dull secondary afterthoughts. So it is in this way that these blogs truly are cultural Zune to bikesnobs enlightened satire

Anthony said...

I second Erik K, I clicked the links for this post in interest, but that sh()t is weak.

Anonymous said...

flatblackcapo 9:13: That's what happens when Lebron James buys the company and decided he wants to be a billionaire.

CAAD8 (my ride) is hardly "high-end" but I went with it partly for the abundance of "Made in USA" decals... well that and the sexy welds.

lt col tim: Zune is a dog because the stupid (limited) file share ability means you have to find the OTHER Zune user within 40 miles... paying for something you don't need sucks. Also... becuase as much a tool as Steve Jobs is, he's no Bill Gates. Also, the Zune was built around technology developed by Phillips for an .mp3 player that flopped about 2 years ago. Further, their idea of making something prettier to be more marketable resulted in them making it... BROWN... seriously... not wood grain, just BROWN. It looks like an .mp3-playing turd - and it's sales support that. Seriously, if the Zune meets your needs, that's great! I didn't buy my iPod for a fashion statement, I got it because I liked its features over the Zune (looked at both before buying and decided the few extra bucks were worth playlists).

Anonymous said...

and to think i was fretting over missing this post when i was on my ride to the veoldrome...
seriously though you never end with amazement!

Anonymous said...

You gotta give credit to BSNW; he was smart enough to block anonymous posters.

He should have tried: http://uncreativefuck.blogspot.com?

erik k said...

yep ignoring the sad truth that is reality... all at the click of a button your right smart.

ed said...

hey BSNYC, in addition to your hollywood consulting gig you've obviously franchised your good name and concept. can "Bike Snob Bicycle-Paint-Body-Collision" shops be far behind?

cheers mate

VeloStrummer said...

69!!!!!!!!!!!!

bujiatang said...

I like Bluenoser's "French Connection" idea. But shouldn't Popeye commandeer a GT for under the el?

And he could ride a Surly Big Dummy with a beatup hat on the back

And the bags of heroine should be crammed into the frame of a Schwinn American.

lt col tim... said...

erik k and anon 12:49

thanks for the insight on the differences on the zune vs ipod (and nice "bikesnob poseurs". comments are logical and make sense. thnaks.

being somewhat older and living a somewhat sedentary life outside of work (which more than satisfies my "need for speed"), file sharing was not something i was much less even aware of, never mind finding it a desirable feature. I really only download free music (minus subscription costs) from an online service directly to my zune and use media player to arrange and generate playlists for my self and other family as well. i've seen the older brown zunes and they are fugly, the newer one i own is black. thanks again and ride fast, but safe.

"real bikers don't let others ride jacked up bikes"

clayton said...

what is "intellectual aesthetic appeal??"

christ almighty - it's an mp3 player.

btw, i've used both the zune and the ipod, and aside from whatever the hell "intellectual aesthetic appeal" is, i can state simply that the ipod is, for my purposes, a slightly superior product, supported by the vastly superior itunes. but if you are happy with your zune, and saved a little money, then more power to you.

gttim said...

Creative Zen! You can change batteries! No shipping it to Apple when, and I mean when, the battery screws up.

Jon is a Typhoon! said...

Im not gonna lie, I read the other blogs... true... the writting is not up to bike snob standards... BUT... it looks like good ol' BSNW is following these posts...

head line now reads

"Bike Snob NW
The Zune to your Ipod"

AND anonymous comments are turned ON!!!!!

lee
"One snob is enough, thank you. I still haven't figured how to make bike polo cool, though."

True on the first part... but the second part... have you ever seen those kids try and ride those bikes home????? 2:1 sometimes 1:1 gear ratios???? HOLY CATS!!! that is the best part... watching them spin out on FLAT GROUND!!!

I love it!

lt col tim... said...

i should have known better than to bring up anything regarding the IPOD knowing the consumer loyalty the inspire...thike pouring gasoline on a pile of fall leaves (actually i did that once and the resulting burns hurt like ($^&%$$! don't do it!)

zune met my needs and expectations better than the ipod. w/ three teenage suns and a daughter to put through college and wanting to enjoy numerous sports and hobbies (all expensive)solid dollar for value products is where I'm at.

bicycling-wise that means an 11 year-old specialized allez w/ campy 8 spd. chorus, a cdale capo fixie stock, a diamond back pro xls running 8 spd XT, and a fuji cross 105 9 spd. all bikes are ridden hard, but look like the day they were new except for frame scratches (numerous).on what you lt col's pay,

i'm sure we could debate this for eons w/ no resolution, but i think this is "bike", not "ipod" snob nyc. i know i was the one who threw fuel on the smoldering embers and feel shame...much shame. but, "i y'am whats i y'am!

Paul Johnson said...

WOW!

I checked out the other snoblogs you mentioned and was amazed to see such replication. Not carbon copies, more like photographic copies. That's really almost creepy; reminiscent of that "1992 thriller" Single White Female.

What seems odd is that in all cases, these folks reference BSNYC as some form of inspiration. so I am thinking if they are out front about it perhaps they come to the conclusion that "if you acknowledge it then it's not plagiarism" ... or something?

Yet wouldn't you think that someone in this situation might conclude that by producing a really poor copy (think Chinese knock off) while at the same time directing readers to the 'real thing'(which happens to be free)
the readers will drop them like a (insert clever metaphor) and just go for the real thing? Is there too much logic here?

If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, well this seems a step beyond plagiarism, closer to stalking. I guess it means you're famous BSNYC (infamous?)

PS: Don't send me a refund, your stuff is easily a bargain at twice the price.

Yr Pal DrCodfish

Heckler said...

Bluenoser has a great idea in the concept of a cycling "French Connection". Any venture capitalists out there with some creative $ burning a hole in their pocket? Here's an auspicious (since they all lived to finish) attempt at the cycling French Connection sans the firearms. Some good instances of encounters of the "scrotal shrinkage" type. For us non-NYCrs anyway.

Anonymous said...

Bike Snob NW probably works for Microsoft and was flattered by the Zune comparison.

clayton said...

lt. col. i hope you didn't get a "fanboy" impression from my post.

lt col tim... said...

clayton- sort of (sniff, sniff, snuffle...) but i'm all better now. hey! new post! lets go there and pull up to the bar(s)!!

Anonymous said...

golberg?? i think thats supposed to read goldblum

dont make me call the adl on you

clayton said...

lt. col. it's not that simple. being labeled as an apple fanboy is, for me, akin to being anally raped. it's at once painful and psychologically damaging.

i like some of the apple products, and like almost everyone else in this world who doesn't work for microsoft or a record company i think itunes is the best available - by far. don't get me wrong, the apple company and its loyalists annoy the living shit out of me.

sorry for the confusion though. next time i will add emphasis:

for my purposes

but if you are happy with your zune, and saved a little money, then more power to you.

erik k said...

clayton said...

what is "intellectual aesthetic appeal??"

this is referring to the qualities of the blog, that you enjoy when you read. ie. you read bikesnob intellectually you enjoy it because it is funny and witty. This is the intellectual aesthetic - funny and witty. Aesthetics is referring the the qualities of something that you like, for example I find the visual aesthetic of a look 595 with full campy record appealing = I think it looks good. With ipods there seems to be some sort of abstract aesthetic appeal (maybe visual and cultural) that draws people to them over the zune, as a noted earlier they are essentially the same product. Either way thought I was referring mostly to the blogs and using mp3 players simply as an analogy there all gona end up in a landfill anyways

t said...

clayton,

its all good. i'm not tied emotionally to blog traffic so no foul.

clayton said...

erik. i follow, i think. i was under the impression (pesky philosophy degree)that aesthetic judgements could be intellectual but that intellect could not be judged aesthetically. i suppose it comes down to semantics. and my foul, foul mood. sorry.

lt col tim... said...

that was me being hamfisted (on the keyboard)

20 years in the army working with equipment which is highly functional w/o any asthetic qualities whatsoever probably explains my zune, my bikes, and my three pound mutts which look like their previous owners beat them with an ugly stick.

erik k said...

it seems bikesnob NW gave up his page is down

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