Monday, February 1, 2016

You're Motoring: What's Your Price For Flight?

This past weekend saw the running of the first-ever Fat Bike World Championships in Crested Butt, CO:


Held by the Crested Butte Chamber of Commerce and sponsored by Borealis Fat Bikes, the world championship event marked the cornerstone of a five-day fat biking festival, which included two other races as well as a daylong conference on fat biking advocacy. Similar to first-generation mountain bikers, who regularly struggled with trail access problems, fat biking riders also struggle to find suitable places to ride.

Enthusiasts from the Midwest and mountain states discussed strategy for convincing land managers to allow fat biking. Opinions varied, but many advocates pointed to nordic centers, snowmobile routes and even popular wintertime hiking trails as the best routes for fat bikers.

One one hand, I love riding bikes, and can certainly understand wanting to prolong your season and maximize your cycling time by riding a fat bike.

On the other hand, at what point are you just being an asshole by insisting on access to trails that have been used for other activities for years?  Like, why not just do that activity instead?  You don't have to ride a bike all the time.

Think about it.  Imagine you're into nordic skiing.  You wait all year for it to snow.  Finally you can get out there on the trails and suddenly you have to contend with 20 or 30 clueless fat bikers who want to try this new thing they saw on the Internet and who leave the trail all pockmarked due to their knobby tires.  It's not like mountain bikers have to contend with nordic skiers on all-terrain roller skis with massive wheels hogging the singletrack during the summer.  There's a fine line between pioneering a new athletic discipline and just pissing on other people's fun.  What's next, dropping in on surfers and blocking them on one of these?


("Ahoy, Water Fred!")

This is not to say I'm inherently anti-fat bike.  Far from it.  If you're not appropriating anybody's turf then fat bike away!  In fact I participated in New York City's first-ever fat bike race this past weekend (full report to come) and here's a picture to prove it:


I'm just saying there's a difference between fat biking and cockblocking, and we'd probably all do well to keep that in mind.

Meanwhile, the big news this past weekend was that a U23 competitor at the Cyclocross World Championships was caught with a motorized bike:

What We Know:

1. The bike is from Femke Van den Driessche, the current Belgian and European Women’s U23 Champion.

2. They have found electrical cables and a motor inside the bike, according to Sporza, translated:

“After one lap of the World Championships…Femke’s bike in the pit area was immediately sealed and taken.”

“When the saddle and seatpost was removed, there were electrical cables from the tube.”

“When they wanted to remove the bottom bracket, which is normally easy, it was not because the crankshaft was stuck. Just sat there the motor.”

3. Femke Van den Driessche had mechanical issues both at the start and at the finish and was visibly upset after her race and did not receive a finishing place.

4. Tests have been done since the Hoogerheide UCI Cyclocross World Cup in 2014 to look for motors. Now these tests have found something.

5. The UCI has an app and tablet to scan bikes. Peter van de Abele confirmed that the UCI is able to scan bikes in seconds. “Through our (developed) app on a tablet, the bike can be scanned and analyzed in no time,” he said, according to demorgen.be.

6. Brian Cookson of the UCI held a press conference on Sunday, 10 a.m. CET to address this topic.

In retrospect, it should have been obvious that Van den Driessche was cheating.  For one thing, note the stickers on her helmet:


Okay, we know all cyclists cheat.  That's just a given.  (In fact Van den Driessche's own brother is currently serving a ban for EPO.)  So if she's not cheating with drugs, then obviously she's using something else, and what else could it be besides a motorized bicycle?

Duh.

As if that's not enough, there's the suspicious button on the handlebar:

See?


Looks like one of these:


Except she's using a mechanical drivetrain.

So then what is the button controlling?

Then there's the fact that she was holding on to her bike on the run-ups and mud-skiing behind it:


("Make it stop!!!")

Not to mention how she couldn't stop the bike without employing a parachute:


(The "Chute Belge")

Though of course nobody questioned it at the time because she's using rim brakes and we all know that you can't bring a bicycle to a full stop without discs.

Actually, maybe...just maybe...the push for disc brakes in road and cyclocross is part of a motorized bicycle cheating conspiracy since they need the extra stopping power for their e-assisted bikes.

Plus, you don't want your rim braking to interfere with the workings of your electromagnetic wheel:

“A motor hidden in the seat tube is old stuff, almost artisan. It’s been overtaken, it’s a poor man’s doping,” Ghisalberti writes. “The new frontier is far more technologically advanced and ten times as expensive. It’s in the rear wheel: it costs 200,000 Euros, and there’s a waiting list of six months. The first type uses a motor to turn the cranks; the second is electromagnetic.”

Wow, seat tube motors are artisanal now?  So basically Van den Driessche was engaging in farm-to-table doping.

Of course, given the cost, it's hard to believe anybody would use an electromagnetic wheel.  I mean, nobody would pay 200,000 Euros for a piece of cycling equipment except for most Freds as well as anybody delusional enough to purchase a Specialized Venge Schmenge:



But even though UCI officials found a bicycle with a motor inside it at the World Championships, let's give Van den Driessche the benefit of the doubt, because she's got a plausible excuse:

“I don’t know how it got there. I’m focused on myself on that day. I took care of myself. I was in front. At the back, the mechanics made a mistake,” Van den Driessche continued to profess her innocence. “They can check everything: all my cross bikes, all my road bikes. They will not find anything. I’m 100 per cent sure about it."

Oh, sure, mechanics accidentally install motors at bike races all the time.  And how can she not know how it got there yet be 100% sure there aren't any more in any of her other bikes?  If you're going to complain you're the victim of unwitting motor doping then at least take that all the way: "If someone planted a motor in that bike then there could be one in all of them!  Quick, UCI, search all my bikes!"

She'd be great in anti-terrorism.  "Yeah, we have no idea how the bomb wound up at the airport, but even without checking we're 100 per cent sure there aren't any more."

And of course even though she doesn't know how the motor got there, she knows exactly how it got there:

Van den Driessche offered up a potential reason for the bike’s presence, saying that it was owned by someone she’d been training with. “That bike belongs to a friend of mine,” she said. “He trains along with us. He joined my brothers and my father. That friend joined my brother at the reconnaissance and he placed the bike against the truck but it’s identical to mine. Last year he bought it from me. My mechanics have cleaned the bike and put it in the truck. They must’ve thought that it was my bike. I don’t know how it happened.”

Oh, right, the friend who bought your bicycle and motorized it!  And yes, you know those stupid cyclocross mechanics.  They'll clean and prep anything you put in front of them.  Leave your ham sandwich too close and next thing you know it's in the pit and waiting to be ridden.

Still, you sort of have to feel bad for the company that now carries the distinction of making the first-ever doped bike--and they're not taking it lying down, either:



Managing director Andrea Gastaldello said he was "stunned" by the news that Femke Van den Driessche competed in the under-23 race over the weekend with a concealed motor in her Wilier Triestina bike.

"Our company will take legal action against the athlete and against any (person) responsible for this very serious matter to safeguard the reputation and image of the company," the executive wrote in a statement.

In other words, yeah, they totally helped.

I wonder what kind of motor you could hide in a fat bike tire...

113 comments:

Mike O. said...

Good morning.

Anonymous said...

vroom vroom
Podiating.

sideshowglen said...

Win

wishiwasmerckx said...

Podium?

Anonymous said...

Top10
Boobies!

N/A said...

What size rubber you running on that bike, Wildcat?

What's the min on calling a tire "fat"?

Lieutenant Oblivious said...

Missed top 5 by that much"

N/A said...

A "crested butt" is the politically correct term for "plumber's crack".

Bryan said...

Motored in for a top 10 spot! Shh, don't tell the UCI, though they will never find where I hid my motor! Now to go read

wishiwasmerckx said...

"Okay, we no all cyclists cheat."

I know using "no" for "know" is a know-know.

Roille Figners said...

Fat biking advocacy?!

TedK Suck It said...

SCRANUS

Anonymous said...

Yes, the bike (of sorts) dropping in on surfers was not generally well received in the surfing community:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDi9uFcD7XI

Bryan said...

What in the fuck is fat biking advocacy? Can't one ride a fat bike anytime, anywhere?

Dorothy Rabinowitz said...

In the pit and waiting to be ridden.

BikeSnobNYC said...

Bryan,

No! If snow is not "groomed" it's just as useless as any other bike.

--Wildcat Etc.

janinedm said...

@N/A, I've always thought the min width of a fat tire is 2 inches. I know that the 47mm tires on my commuter tank (aka Black Betty) do not count as "fat."

Anonymous said...

If there is money involved there is cheating involved. Apply that to all aspects of life

P. Bateman said...

how do we know that motor in her bike was powering the bike?

the reports say the wires ran up through the seat post. maybe the motor created a rhythmic pulsing sensation in the saddle that she used to quench her insatiable needs because she's a sex addict?

i feel like this angle is not being investigated thoroughly enough and we're just jumping to conclusions like in that board game and assuming she was cheating.

Mike P said...

SUPs are the fat bike equivalent in surfing. It filled the water with clueless douches.

Eric the Infrequent said...

Guess I will stick with my non fat studded tires then.

Frickus Rungus said...

RE: Fat biking advocacy...

I don't think fat bike advocacy is the same as the non-snowy kinds of mountain bike advocacy. If bikes are allowed on land it is usually year round, with periodic closures due to muddy conditions or to give various animals a little privacy so they can get their freak on and make more animals.
I think the biggest issue that fat bikers have to contend with is sharing the trails. It's an "I was here first" power struggle. xc skiers have been trying for years to get snowshoers to share the trail without trampling the ski tracks with their crampon bedecked waffle stompers. If fat bikers can figure out how to co-exist on the winter trails without pissing off the more "traditional" users, then they really shouldn't have many problems finding a place to ride.

Frickus Rungus said...

Maybe the thing they found in the cyclocross bike wasn't a motor, but a generator instead! I bet she was using it to charge up her batteries for electronic shifting (I know, it was mechanical...) and her heart rate monitor and her cycling computer and her ANT+ compatible power meter and her lights and her heads up display glasses and her remote control dropper post and her heated grips and whatever else it is that kids nowadays can't go riding without.

Anonymous said...

Wut? A sensible not-douche comment from CJ?

Anonymous said...

Weird disappearing comments going on here.

wishiwasmerckx said...

Yesterday's screed from CJ about his privileged upbringing also disappeared without a trace. I suspect that the proprietor of this fine establishment may have finally shown Mr. CJ the door.

Anonymous said...

Why does that German guy on twitter insist on eating fried potatoes only one month out of the year?

Anonymous said...

http://cyclingtips.com/2015/04/hidden-motors-for-road-bikes-exist-heres-how-they-work/

Snow Belt Bill said...

Aside from the annoying multi-bike-owning dentist/tech maven/drug lord types, most fat bike owners are quite lame.
Every g-d winter i wait for them to get out and show off their chicken-shit line choices while at least trampling the snow for me.
They seem to spend more time photographing them leaning up against stuff, than riding.
And don't get me started on this "groomed trails" gibberish; if the fuckin' trail's groomed, you don't need a fuckin' fat beik, moron!

N/A said...

Back in the olden' days, trails were never groomed. They could be quite unruly. Now-a-days, they are meticulously maintained, and you rarely find anything blocking the path. It seems that a fat biek is very popular with some folks, on these trails.

Mae West said...

Is that a motor in your fat bike tire, or are you just glad to see me.

McFly said...

Whatvoltageyourunning?

Anonymous said...

Anon 11:45,

That Gruber/ vivax motor is a pretty slick piece of engineering. Does anyone have any pictures of the actual cheater E-bike? I am curious where they stashed the battery and what capacity it is... you'd guess the seatpost. The stock vivax setup uses a 6Ah battery, made from 18650 Li-ion cells, same cells as your laptop, and stored in a giant, pendulous saddlebag.

The serious E-bike nerds use Li-po batteries, the kind used in R/C helicopters and drones. They have crazy power to volume/mass, about a quarter the size/weight for equivalent power/capacity compared to li-ion. But it's a science project to charge them, and they are prone to fire and explosion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71s8RsyZykE

motoed said...

Just let them run motors, call it a technological advancement... and then everyone is equal again and faster and maybe more interesting? You still have to pedal the thing.

Speaking of doping... anyone listen to Lance on the Joe Rogan podcast yet?

N/A said...

Sure, let them run motors. If only we could come up with a name for racing bicycles with motors on them...

N/A said...

We should let runners just use roller blades. I mean, they still have laces on them.




Ooh, ooh, we could let competitive swimmers use submarines, right? They still have to be in the water.

Anonymous said...

10,000 watt, 2WD Fatbike

Anonymous said...

Query me this: What 3-time TdF champion and anti-drug advocate once regularly ridiculed in this blog suggested that just such a cheat was possible in major professional racing, possibly the last TdF?

N/A said...

So far today I've doubled my entendres, dripped with sarcasm, I think I'll bust out some whimsical tomfoolery next!

N/A said...

@ Anonymous 12:37 PM:

What 3-time TdF champion and anti-drug advocate once regularly ridiculed in this blog suggested that just such a cheat was possible in major professional racing, possibly the last TdF?





Why do you want people to ask you a question that you're asking yourself?

leroy said...

Motor-doping?

Well this explains the snarky comments from my dog this weekend, asking if my bike went to 11.

I thought it was a kilometers per hour v. miles per hour thing.

jonathan said...

I live in a locale where snow covers the ground between 3-5 months most winters. I am a 3-season road cyclist and a winter nordic skier (not one of those roller-skiing dorks, for now). Fat bikes intruding upon and ruining groomed ski trails is a problem, but the far greater menace is snowmobilers doing same.

STG said...

Honestly, fat-bikes do not belong on nordic trails. Cyclists certainly belong on nordic trails... on skis. Its excellent cross training and great for core and upper body strength. There is so much overlap between the nordic skiing and cycling community that I'm surprised to see fat-bikers who lack the experience xc-skiing to understand how important trail conditions are.

Our local nordic center, Fahnestock, does not allow any form of cycling on their trails even in summer - I asked because I wanted to use it to train for cyclocross. Even this would damage the trails enough to make it very difficult to groom.

Its also just so, so un-necessary to go ride a fat-bike on a groomed trail. There are so many other places you can go. Bike camping, back-country, existing MTB trails, etc. There are very few opportunities you can XC ski except at a nordic center.

Finally, most fat-bikes I see run in the $4,000 and up range. Nordic ski equipment can be had new or used for a fraction of that.

Sean

JLRB said...

As someone who waits for snow to show up so I can fugh around on my nordic skis there is no way I want to deal with Fat Bikes messing up the pretty groomed tracks. But I only feel I have a right to care when I go somewhere I have to pay for trail access on private land.

When Jonas took his dump on us last week I went out and about in my 'hood and the neighboring parks on my skis. When I returned others had used the tracks I cut as a footpath, dogs pissed in it, etc. It is public land so they can have at it. No Fat Bikes showed up but they could run on it if they did.

By the way, there are some serious nordic Freds out there .. for another blog somewhere...

Grump said...

Pretty lame excuse.
She should have used..."I ran out of gas! I got a flat tire! I didn’t have change for cab fare! I lost my tux at the cleaners! I locked my keys in the car! An old friend came in from out of town! Someone stole my car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts! IT WASN’T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"

McFly said...

She stores the battery in her umm.....personal place......the only problem is it takes a D cell......make that 2 D cells.

Frickus Rungus said...

serious nordic freds

Frickus Rungus said...

serious nordic fred says: whatwaxareyourunnin?

Freddy Murcks said...

Professional bike racing is soooo fucking stupid. In other doping news, that doper shitbag Filippo Pozzato is planning on retiring from being a doped up racer to being a team manager that teaches young riders how to dope and get away with it. I love bikes and I love riding them, but I am done with pro racing.

dop said...

Neither rain, nor sleet, Nordic will keep these jagoffs away from groomed trails.

I_smell_a_rat said...

Somebody at Fahnestock is making stuff up.

I know two XC places that run mountain bike races in the spring/summer. The trails get choppy at the braking spots in the summer, but that's it.

Last time I checked, skiers didn't ski on dirt in the winter.

DB said...

Hey, Leroy:
A certain someone's comment was taken down yesterday after he made a comment regarding a certain designer dog.
He must have realized he'd be hunted down by a certain karaoke club, book club and poker club.
He's probably hiding out with the Bundy's in Nevada by now.

Freddy Murcks said...

I sometimes ride the fat bikecycle that I own around a groomed area (there are lots of single track trails that branch off from the groomed trails) and, based on my observations, fat bikers tear up the the surface of the groomed corduroy no more and maybe less than skate skiers do. As long as the bikes stay out of the classic track, I don't see that there is a problem with sharing the trail. I also like to skate ski, so I have been on both sides of the issue plenty of times.

rats! said...

I too am interested to know how the motor is used. It seems like so little useful power for such a short period of time given the weight of the battery and motor.

I imagine it like standing on a $50 hobby drone and expecting to be flown around.

In your face robot denier!

Anonymous said...

Listening to Night Ranger again, Wildcat? Reminiscing about your junior high school dances?

Roille Figners said...

janinedm - but they do count as phat. (As opposed to dope, which is what many here today are talking about.)

WIWM & DB - OK glad I'm not the only witness. Being the sole witness to anything is dangerous because 3 words: Murray the Chamferer

trama said...

People still do the cyclocross? Oh yeah, that must be what that old bike in the back of the garage is, the old one all crusty with fake sponsor stickers all over it, haha, that bike. The one that has about 37 brake levers on it and glued-on tires. heh

pies

STG said...

@I_smell_a_rat, when you have only 1-2 inches of base depth on a smooth dirt trail, its totally ski-able. If the surface is rutted by tire tracks, or if erosion from bike tires exposes roots and rocks, it is not ski-able. Last year I skied at Fahnestock until the first or second week of April, until there was only about an inch of snow left and many bare patches. That was only possible because the trails were pristine.

Where I grew up in Maine we typically had enough snowfall to cover rough ground, so many nordic centers were open for cycling in the summer. However I recall in my teens we had a winter drought lasting several years and the little snowfall we had was really precious.

Again, I race road and cycle-cross so I am not just a ski-wienie. But yeah I can find many other places to ride that don't interfere with skiing.

Sean

Victor Kaminski said...

vsk said ...

Even though my tyres are 700x23, I am still a fat biker ...

vsk

Electrically Driven Vibrations said...

She claims she jumped on the wrong bike. Kind of like saying Leroy's Dog ate your homework. And she wasn't at all suspicious when she saw it was a Fabian Cancellara model bike?

Anonymous said...

*158mm spindle

BamaPhred said...

Kinda like Sammy Sosa's excuse for using a corked bat, he only used it for batting practice. Or when the cops pull you over for speeding and you have to say, "Gee officer, that's not my weed."

rats! said...

Yeah, but anonymous we're talking about a battery pack that would, at best, fit in a tube in the triangle and then it would weigh quite a bit. How much extra performance could that possibly provide?

She didn't have a rack on the back with a conventional battery pack strapped to it.

So, I don't get where it would be of use except maybe make pushing the bike easy. Help me understand Anonymous! You're my only hope!

tubasti said...

The snowshoers have already screwed up the ski tracks so badly that we're too demoralized to complain about fat bikes.

STG said...

Tubasti,

Unless your in the backcountry, snowshoes are the shortbus of winter sports.

Sean

leroy said...

Dear Mr. DB at 1:20 PM --

I must have missed that certain someone's comment concerning designers and dogs.

I hope he didn't buy a Rolex on a street corner from someone I know.

I've learned the hard way it's not just sleeping dogs who lie.

But my dog really will eat homework.

The homework just has to be from the Culinary Institute of America and paired with an appropriate wine.

Bender said...

It has been well established that a motor in the seat tube and a concealed battery can easily provide enough boost to make a big difference with a fit rider. It's used only at key times, such as a short steep climb, where the benefit can make the most difference. It's like ten extra horsepower in a mid sized car. In a race, that small advantage can easily make the difference between a win or third place.

Anonymous said...

No rack on the back....or the front.

Anonymous said...

From this day forth:
Anonymous posters will get there comments deleted for:

-using ipso facto analogies
-knuckle tat puns
-making fun of bromptons
-using the words dooder or fucktard
-using the world Fred to describe the traditional touring type

Anonymously said...

I'm not going to do it, waiting for Babble to correct "there" to "their".

Anonymous said...

Dood, what will we have to comment on, dick pics?

DB said...

Leroy:
Glad you missed the comment, although I kept checking back awaiting your reply.
De Blasio and Jim Cantore are in Iowa today. Must be something funny about that.

Regular guy said...

What motor?

Rudy A. Kipling said...

Frankly, I was really hoping that after Worlds, cyclocross would disappear again from my consciousness.

rats! said...

Bender,
How big is the battery pack? Where is it? How much of an efficiency improvement for how long? Maybe another way to ask, how much power could a battery pack that fits inside the average top tube or downtube provide?

What is the motor design like? That's a very, very tiny motor that is pushing a human-type body.

Anonymous said...

rats!
http://cyclingtips.com/2015/07/hidden-motor-demonstration-with-greg-lemond/
http://www.vivax-assist.com/en/produkte/vivax-assist-4-0/vivax-assist_4-0.php

How much wattage(power) and range the motor puts out depends on the battery; it's Voltage(higher V translates to higher Watts) and the Amp Hour (more AH, more range).

The stock seatbag battery is 6ah, and using a bunch of 18650 li ion batteries. not sure voltage it's rubbing.

Those 18650 batteries are about the same size as AA's. You link them together. In series, increases voltage. In parallel, increases Ah.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/serial_and_parallel_battery_configurations

Anonymous said...

Bike snob asked:
" So if she's not cheating with drugs, then obviously she's using something else, and what else could it be besides a motorized bicycle?"

She could have a team of trained moles tunnel under the course, then they would push up at just the right time to assist her, and leave a bump that slows down the competition.

Bike snob also asked:

"I wonder what kind of motor you could hide in a fat bike tire..."

You could train a team of hamsters to run inside the oversized tire like they do inside their hamster wheel. For a standard 26" fat tire rim, I calculate that you could fit 15 hamsters and still leave them a little room between each one. (They shouldn't be placed in the top of the wheel, they could fall.) With two fat tire wheels set up like this, that would give you the assistance of 30 fully doped up hamsters on steroids.

1904 Cadardi said...

"30 fully doped up hamsters on steroids"
What is that in Diminutive Frenchman Units?

Bender said...

rats!, you seem to be forgetting the rider is also pedaling. Winning a bicycle race while not pedaling would no doubt raise some suspicion. Give a competitive racer a 10% power boost or whatever and watch them podium. It's just physics. Go read some of the links posted by others. This has been old news for a couple of years. I don't blame you for ignoring it though, because it's dumb as hell.

Cheating? Moi? said...

I don't know how that EPO got in my blood. It's not mine. Oh, you know what? I used my boyfriend's water bottle the other day. That must have been it.

Roille Figners said...

Why can't my mechanic(*) make mistakes that just happen to result in my having a speed advantage? All his mistakes consist of leaving shit unscrewed, unfastened and undone. Such as not hooking the v-brake noodle so you almost hit a truck and die. HILARITY!



(*) me

Pablo Fleece said...

It might only be 'artisinal' but it's a lot cheaper than a non-motorized Venge:

https://www.salden.nl/en/wilier-triestina-e-cycl-ocrosser-met-trapondersteuning.html

Dooth said...

Wait...those fat bikers haven't discovered Crested Scranus?

Anonymous said...

Those motors are all set up wrong - only a noob would use wires and engines - real men place raccoons in their bottom brackets

Anonymous said...

Went to a cyclo-cross show the other day and a dirt bike race broke out.
Hey, gas is soooo cheap now!

Dr. Zachary Smith said...

Hamsters, indeed!

Pearl Jam said...

Oh where, oh where
Did my Babble go
Wreck Beach took her away from me
Now I have to get it up so she'll service me.

Joe said...

Seems like the doping excuse playbook hasn't evolved yet- gobsmacked incredulity and total disavowel. "It's not even possible I would have cheated!" I remember reading Floyd Landis's book after he had already fessed up, and it's was one of the most fun, yet oddest things I've ever read. Never underestimate the lengths someone who is caught in a lie will go to, or how appealing they can sound.

Ricardo Gear said...

I keep a gerbil in my bottom bracket

EricBikeCO said...

I read "100W for an hour" in knew of the links you none heads didn't click.

EricBikeCO said...

I read "100W for an hour" in knew of the links you none heads didn't click.

Richard Gerr said...

I never had a gerbil in my bottom bracket. Those were vicious rumors that brought Cinfy to tears (of laughter)

bieks said...

Is Ted Ded? Is it safe to come out if my bunker yet?

Freddy Murcks said...

We're getting close to the century. Who's gonna take it?

Phuck Yu said...

Yo mamma.

Roille Figners said...

I'll take the 96ery...

james said...

97...

Southold police chief Martin Flatus said...

Get out of my town.

James said...

Winding up my motor...

James said...

Century

Late'er said...

Curses James. I guess the late worm gets the bird.

Mick Jagger said...

I bet yo momma was a tent shoe queen

Doc Sarvis said...

STG is an entitled Fred
And we all know what "Kind" of doping they do in Colorado...

JCB said...

Ive said it here before and am so pleased to say it again: Fat bikes ruin ski trails!

bad boy of the north said...

...waiting for the metabolically challenged bike report.

art said...

Meanwhile, cyclingnews has an Onionesque article about how Eddy Merckx wants mechanical dopers banned for life. They're flat out banning any commenter who brings up Merckx's actual doping.

Anonymous said...

Who knew back in '85 when I'd ride my stumphumpah along railroad grade snowmobile routes that I was curating a new trend. The mountain fred equivalent of those times scoffed at my lack of studded tires as I rode around campus and town yet I never once saw another bike on the snowmobile trails. Other than having to dive off the trail as drunk sledders came flying by, it was some of the most peaceful riding I've ever done so I can appreciate to the fat bike trend.

Freddy Murcks said...

Art @11:00 - The moderator(s) at the CyclingSnooze comment boards seem to have a strict policy of deleting the comments of anyone who mentions doping in cycling. At least that's been my observation.

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What is the motor design like? That's a very, very tiny motor that is pushing a human-type body.

Maybe another way to ask, how much power could a battery pack that fits inside the average top tube or downtube provide?

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