Tuesday, December 2, 2014

Cleaning your chain, or just yanking it?

Further to yesterday's post, in which I mentioned my "Bicycling" story about bike maintenance, I was amused to find while perusing the comments on said article that I was once again subjected to merciless Fred heckling for daring to suggest that removing your cassette and cleaning it one time over the winter should be considered "basic" bicycle maintenance:

Gerald Fittipaldi • 15 hours ago
"The basics" shouldn't require removing your cassette and chain. Instead, leave them on the bike and just clean them with a rag, toothbrush and optionally this gear clean brush: http://amzn.to/1A8Sy6r. Of course, this should include lubing the chain.

What's the point of making your gears immaculate when they're going to get gunked up in a matter of days anyway? Overhauling is not necessary unless you've long neglected the bike.

Oh, "Bicycling" reader...  Really, being able to remove your cassette is not a basic skill?  It's because of people like you that I no longer ride over the George Washington Bridge and instead avoid the local Fred Routes at all costs.  Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of having to fix your flats and otherwise mollycoddle your ilk.  Indeed, if there were a jersey for Most Fredliest Internet Comment you would most certainly be in the running.

Also, the jersey would look like this:


(Maillot du plus fredliest internet commentaire)

Rowr.

By the way, I looked up the bicycle-specific brush he's so fond of, and here it is:


We have truly reached the apotheosis of bike-weeniedom when a simple brush is 11-speed specific--but at least it's backwards-compatible with 10 speed:

Works great on brakes or other places where dirt collects. 10 speed compatible.

Just don't use it on anything less than that or you risk catastrophic brush failure.

(Just kidding.  Everyone knows you don't clean a bike with less than 10 speeds.  You throw it away and buy a new one.  It's true, I read it in "Bicycling.")

Of course, you can also buy the bike-specific brush as part of a complete I'm-afraid-to-remove-anything-from-my-bike cleaning kit:


I confess that many years ago I too owned one of those chain-cleaning machines, and it was surely one of the most useless bicycle accessories ever invented.  Really, all it did was embed the grime further into the chain by bathing it in its own filth.  For all the good it did I might as well have taken a pricing gun to my drivetrain:


Oh, and do you remember that chain-cleaning machine from Performance that looked just like a wang?


Well, I was amused to find they still sell it, so be sure to buy one for the giant Fred on your list this holiday season:


And please do not accuse me of being exploitative or sexist with the above image, because the truth is anybody can enjoy a nice dong:


See that?  He looks both happy and well-compensated for his efforts!

If there's a single image that captures the joyous spirit of the holiday season I dare say this is it.

Meanwhile, here in (ahem) America's Most Bike-Friendly City, we're officially one step closer to losing Central Park:

The Central Park loop now has a 20 mph speed limit, new lane markings, and shorter pedestrian crossings during car-free hours. The changes, implemented last week, came in response to two pedestrian fatalities in separate bicycle collisions over the summer. The park’s traffic signals remain unchanged, and the park is still a shortcut for taxis and car commuters during certain hours.

Yes, by all means, let's re-engineer everything to keep people safe from bikes because nobody ever gets killed by cars.  Sure, I detest Central Park Strava dorks as much as anybody, but tragically our perspective on actual danger remains hopelessly distorted, as Jill Tarlov's husband's comments show:


“I assume if he were driving a car, he’d be arrested on the spot,” Wittman said.

I feel terrible for him given what happened to his wife, and I feel even more terrible for him that he actually thinks that.  "Arrested on the spot," really?  A driver?  In New York City?  You mean like the one who ran down five kids on the sidewalk after school last year?


Oh, right, sorry.  He didn't get in any trouble for that.

Or how about the other driver who killed a little girl on the sidewalk in the Bronx in front of her school?


Nope.

Oh, and here's something fucked up: the car she was driving was a Honda Accord.  So can you guess what commercial plays before the above-referenced Daily News video?

Yep, you guessed it:


Even more ironically, the ad touts the car's back-up camera feature.

Ah yes, I'm sure if the driver had been behind the wheel of a brand spanking-new Accord equipped with state-of-the-art head-up-your-ass technology this whole tragedy might have been averted.

Oh, and let's not forget about the guy who got in big trouble for killing a little girl who was crossing the street with her grandmother:


And by "big trouble" I mean he got a couple of traffic tickets that were subsequently voided.

I could keep going, but I won't.

Fortunately, our mayor won't stand for this sort of inhumane behavior on our city's streets--just as long as you're a horse:


“We think it’s time to end horse carriages in the city,” the mayor said, “and we’re going to act on it.”

I don't think Bill De Blasio made a single comment after any of the aforementioned motor vehicle incidents, but goddamn it if he's going to let a horse pull a carriage in this town!  Also, no offense to the horses, but when has it ever not sucked to be one?  If anything, being a horse in Central Park is a comparatively sweet gig if you're an equine.  Do you think they liked this?


Or this?


Or even this?


That's my local subway station over 100 years ago.  Note the horse-drawn carriages.  Now here's the same one some years later.  Note the bicycle:



Seems to me that, between horses and cyclists, when it comes to being treated like humans the horses are winning.

At this point, the only thing we've got in common is that De Blasio wants us both out of Central Park.

Vision Zero indeed.

136 comments:

Anonymous said...

bam!

Anonymous said...

CHAIN CLEANING!

Anonymous said...

top tenn

Anonymous said...

one a minute pretty popular

RANTWICK said...

top ten! hah!

JB said...

I love you all.

Dylan Mackintosh said...

Top Ten! Scrantacular

Anonymous said...

Crescent fresh.

Anonymous said...

TOO LATE FS ooHHHHH NOoooOOOO EVER SO LATE

RANTWICK said...

I've been looking for a good image for this year's Christmas Card... If there's a single image that captures the joyous spirit of the holiday season I dare say this is it. Done and done. Thanks Snob!

Anonymous said...

vsk said ...

Early Posters !!

vsk

CAPTCHA has red X, gonna cost me!!

3G said...

This is all just so ridiculous.

eric? said...

I have that brush. I can confirm it is compliant with both 9 and 11 speed campy componentry.

Spokey said...

top lucky 5,000

Anonymous said...

vsk said ... (after now reading)

Well put Mr. Snob!

However, spoonfeeding real world logic to real world politicians and people with "other agendas" is like trying to remind Mr. Weight Weenie Fred of the benefits of carrying the most basic of tools. "Yeauh, that crabon feebray lipstick pump really holds me back in the climbs...".

vsk / Have kitchen sink in kitchen sink bracket, will travel ...

Noah Webster said...

” That's my local subway station…”

I know we went over this before, but one must fight for right even when wrong always wins.

Subways are underground. The photo is of an elevated train station. Yes the trains go from being over, on and below the ground but the referenced station has always been above the ground.

BikeSnobNYC said...

Noah,

The name of the system is the NYC Subway. Get over it.

--Wildcat Rock Machine

dop said...

yankin my crank

Schisthead said...

Hey, I recognize that Performance Bike dong. I think I have one in a box somewhere.

Much,, much more useless than the average dong. Wouldn't even be any good for slapping someone, like the person who designed it, or contracted it's manufacturing.

Spokey said...

I still use a finish line chain cleaner. I've used 3 different cleaners over the years. They all have a similar sweeping action to what a toothbrush would do so I don't see how a toothbrush would be so great and the machine not be the same.

I simply am not going to pull the chain once every week or so. That the cleaner fluid gets filthy suggests that the dirt is in fact coming off. Even after the third cleaner refill or so it starts to slightly clear and I declare it done.

But I do agree that over the winter you can do a better once a year job and I do remove the chain etc. I have found that the pulleys get so gunked up you almost need a chisel to get the crap off the sides. I also always have the bearings fall out and have to get on my hands and knees searching all over the floor for them.

I bought one of those stupid brushes and subsequently gave it away.

dop said...

I confess. I've never overhauled my bottom bracket, nor could I do so in the middle of a group ride to get rid of that clicky sound. I am not a man.

Things could be worse; my subway station might be elevated. On the bright side, there are many fine riders who overhaul their bottom brackets, but are not men.

They are women.

Spokey said...

snobbie

do they not call those trains the 'el' anymore?

crosspalms said...

I have one of those gizmos, too. It does an OK job of cleaning the chain, but a great job of messing up the basement floor.

On a completely unrelated note (except bikes), did you see the NYTimes travel story about the Dominican Republic on Sunday? There's a lovely photo of people fording a river, including a guy carrying a bike on his shoulder. Serious portaging.

babble on said...

Fuck. How depressing. Well, thanks for the plastic Fred Dong, anyway.

Jobst Brown said...

Dirt on a bicycle chain and sprockets is only a problem when it is between 2 pieces of metal that are pressing and moving against each other. Like between the inside of the sprocket teeth and the chain rollers or between the chain rollers and the pins. In this case (and only this case) if the dirt is harder than the metal the chain/sprockets are made out of, the dirt increases wear.

Dirt any other place in the drive train does not cause any problems (except maybe an aesthetic problem for some people. Like Delia Ephron apparently has a problem with the color blue.) )

It is possible dirt on other places of the drive train will migrate to locations where it can cause wear, but this is not proven. And even if it was true you would have to clean your chain like once a week to prevent this, not once a year.

Sources: here
and here

BikeSnobNYC said...

Spokey,

Sure. I might say, "Meet me at that bar. You know, the one under the el." But if I'm referring to a station or the system in general it's the subway.

Similarly, when my AIRplane is taxiing it is still an airplane, not a taxi.

--Wildcat Rock Machine

Jobst Brown said...

Let's try the first source : again

Bama Phred said...

These images are hilarious!
"If there's a single image that captures the joyous spirit of the holiday season I dare say this is it."

The vehicular mayhem, too sad, too unbelievable. I've been trying to find the link, but I know I have read that recent vintage cars, while being made safer for occupants via roof and door pillar reinforcement, have actually made to harder to see out of. The video of the little girl holding her grandmothers hand and getting run over is a perfect illustration of the blind spot created by the driver side A pillar. I'm not buying the whole argument because the driver could clearly see the intersection before he made the turn, so he is still negligent. I could go on and on, but I will spare everyone.

dop said...

Jobst Brown:

"Dirt on a bicycle chain and sprockets is only a problem when it is between 2 pieces of metal that are pressing and moving against each other"

Those pieces of metal pressing and moving against each other should just get a room

Anonymous said...

Gear Floss, good stuff. Easier to use that that useless brush.

Jobst Brown said...

Alright I failed hypertext today.

First source like is:

http://sheldonbrown.com/chains.html

ghost of sheldon brown said...

http://sheldonbrown.com/chains.html

Jobst Brown said...

But if you must clean your chain,
this method will keep you busy all winter even if you live above the Arctic Circle:

http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html

Spokey said...
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Spokey said...

ok i'll buy that

jobst - strike duex

perhaps this?

McFly said...

How do I remove the cassette? It just keeps-a-spinnin'.

Where's my 1/2" impact......

Bama Phred said...

I heard to remove a cassette you need a chain whippin' or something like that. It's so not going to happen.

DEVO said...

"How do I remove the cassette? It just keeps-a-spinnin'.

You have to whip it. Whip it good.

bieks said...

Oh SWEET! Is that the new Wild Cat Rock Machine jersey! That will look so awesome with the Fred-Woohoo hat in the orange colourway. How much? Christmas shopping done.

crosspalms said...

McFly,
Usually the tape player has a button you press and the cassette pops right out.

bieks said...

Dirt on a bicycle chain and sprockets is only a problem when it is between 2 pieces of metal...

I posit dirt on a chain is only a problem when it is on the RH plate where it can get your leg/pantleg dirty.

Did I use posit correctly? I have no idea.

Sargent Shriver said...

"There's a lovely photo of people fording a river, including a guy carrying a bike on his shoulder."

I know you didn't mean to but the photo you linked makes me hearken back to my peace corps days. Maybe if you are lucky one day I'll tell you some stories of portaging my 50 lbs rod-braked bike, including the one time I had to cross a river in the monsoon...

janinedm said...

I once saw a Fred bring a bike into a shop to have them lube his chain. And no, he wasn't too cheap to buy a bottle 'cause then he could have just said, "yo can I steal a pinch of your chain lube?" (It was that kind of laid-back shop.) No. He did not know how to use a squirt bottle and rotate a pedal backward at the same time. This was a real life thing I saw. Don't get me started on the bike maintenance class I took where a guy showed up in full kit and cleats.

Freddy Murcks said...

I am capable of removing both my chain and my cassette, but I rarely remove either. The chain does a pretty good job of cleaning itself if you apply lube regularly and wipe off the excess. The cassette is just a cassette - as long as the cogs aren't packed with mud and grime, there seems to be little difference between clean and moderately filthy.

BigRedClydesdale said...

One of my bikes has an 8 spd cassette, I guess I'm screwed! :D

Anonymous said...

it would be an interesting study to know if those drivers let off the hook when running over the pedestrians were illegals in the sanctuary city NYC. could be the answer to why they weren't prosecuted.

recumbent conspiracy theorist said...

As has been mentioned many times in these comments I don't know how you do it day after day Snobidooderdo but keep it up ol'man.

Yep, I got the blue cog brush too. Don't use the bristle end for much though. The hook end does work good for pulling out the dirty wax curds that always build up between the cogs. I knock 'em loose with that before going into finer detail with my cog-flosser cloth.

I only clean the drivetrain on my commuter once in the spring after the last of the salt and grime. Wax chain lube is great. I don't understand why it's not used universally.

On my commute this morning those little white ice balls were falling from the sky. Sounded like rice crispys under my wheels.

Scranus.

JLRB said...

Holy shit! Are you people really continuing the argument about how to properly clean a chain in this hallowed ground of meaningless chatter?!?

The point of the article was not how to clean a chain - it was a sarcastic discussion of bike maintenance tasks you should do to avoid the pull of the inside trainer riding circle of hell.

Someone pass the dog, I am starving.

jodphoto said...

One must be an immigrant or minority driving a shabby car or one with tinted windows.

Then if you run over a rich white person you will be ticketed.

Rules is rules.

DB said...

Crosspalms, 12:29, COD.

Anonymous said...

So glad i live where its flat and ride a singlespeed...

McFly said...

Fuck it. I'm leavin' it be. Best damn MIX-TAPE I ever did lay down.

Shhh ahhh Let's push it....

P-PUSH IT REEAALLL GOODD

Anonymous said...

I ride through central park everyday on my way to work, cars still travel well in excess of 25mph even with the 20mph speed limit. Also, the new well marked pedestrian crossings are confusing to pedestrians, they are now thinking that they can cross against the light given that the crossing is so prominently marked. I had a few peds give me the stink eye for not stopping for them even though I had the greenlight. Also, they do not seem to have changed the timing of the lights to match the 20mph speed limit. Even though it is a fucking park and parks are for recreation and bicycling is pretty fucking recreational, they are definitely making it less possible to cycle in the park. It makes me very angry wildcat. Here is a crazy idea, take the cars out of the park. that is not going to happen with the TLC lobby although I did hear they are thinking of a trial period?

jodphoto said...

Cassette removal unnecessary unless you're anal.

Orange citrus or Simple Green squirted onto the the chainrings and cassette. hose off gently.

Wet a rag liberally with WD 40 (diesel works well, too) and wipe the chain down. Relube the inside of the chain. Shift through the gears to distribute.

Ride. Repeat as necessary.

Grump said...

I use the winter maintenance season to give my water bottles their yearly washing out. (can't be too careful).
Bike stays clean in winter, because I DON'T RIDE OUTSIDE. Doing intervals on a trainer, in Winter, makes you happy to be outside in March on those warm 30 degree days.

dop said...

CITRUS GREEN!!!

CITRUS GREEN!!!

CITRUS GREEN!?!???

Are you kidding me? That's a detergent, not a lubricant. Any military tech manual will let you know that it's use is forbidden on fine machinery. Now go maker a special solution of 5w motor oil , mineral spirits. And jerk off in it.

Anonymous said...

clean your chain? Fuck that, I usually just buy a new bike when the chain gets dirty.

McFly said...

At the risk of shame and scorn I will 'fess up to using a 1/2" impact wrench to replace the bottom bracket on my mountain-designated bike last week. It worked quite nicely on the "1" setting.

Hey I am not above using a power tool on a beefy bottom bracket if it will get the job done efficiently and with less effort from my tired old body.

Al Goldstein said...

"At the risk of shame and scorn I will 'fess up to using a 1/2" impact wrench to replace the bottom bracket..."

I don't know about that but the risk of a Jr. High Joke impact wrench being posted in these comments is now 1.

Anonymous said...

How can you blame anyone for not allowing cyclist to Central Park?
Only a complete idiot would ride there.

I steer away from the park, considering the West Side path is just few blocks away if you need to go for a quick ride.

Blame it on the bike boom of the later years, but the percentage of asshole rides is the same as the asshole drivers.

Same lack of common sense, same self-centered view of the world, same ineptitude controlling the vehicle.

If OJ Simpson can kill his wife, get chased from police on live tv and get away with no charges, why should the random inept driver being charged for not begin able to drive the car and killing people by mistake?

Should the DMV be sued for giving away driver licenses without a proper training?

JLRB said...

ROWR indeed

JLRB said...

While we are at it why don't we debate whether or not the factory applied lube should be removed from a new chain.

ROWR

ROWR

ROWR

JLRB said...

and ROWR

JLRB said...

Not to be confused with MEOW

Anonymous said...

winter is the best time to ride outdoors in NYC about 90% less freds to contend with.

il Pirata est Mort said...

Don't waste medicine on the dead!

DB said...

After a week of forced listening to holiday music, I'm convinced the only person not to have made a Christmas album is Andrew W.K.
I think his would be the best.

Anonymous said...

Got to disagree with the great and all knowing Snobi-wan. No need to pop cassette or take off chain unless there is a pre-existing problem. If not, apply lots of spray lube and go in and have a beer.

I know Snobby likes to take apart his chain, pop the pins out of every plate, clean each plate individually (front and back) and re-assemble but how much do new chains cost?

recumbent conspiracy theorist said...

DB, I'm pretty sure GG Allin did not make a Christmas Album too. But I could be wrong on that.

Anonymous said...

I have been using the Park chain cleaning tool for 10 years...it works great.

P. Bateman said...

Snobber- i dont think i've gone past normal laughter to full on guffaw in a while but your handy photoshop skills with the dude, the dong and the money is comedy gold.

pretty funny for what is otherwise primarily a very depressing post about all those rather horrifying car "crashes" (seems like murders is more appropriate). very sad stuff indeed.

Bama Phred said...

GG Allin and Christmas? Google up GG Allin and the Twelve Days of Christmas.

PotbellyJoe said...

I soaked my chain in artisan paraffin last off season. It was great to be able to put my chain back on if it ever fell off without getting grime on my hands.

Removing cassettes has gone the way of pine trees and modesty. Extinct. At least to people with the money to never need to do it themselves.

Who am I kidding, dentists don't repair their bikes, they replace them.

Anonymous said...

fools

Fools

FOOOLS

recumbent conspiracy theorist said...

GG's twelve days is pretty good. I still like Cheech and Chong's better though.

JB said...

I bought a chain whip and the cassette removal tool thingy last year to install a new cassette (bigger, old-man cogs) and chain (8sp XTR #blessed) and I felt like Sheldon Brown afterward.

Bama Phred said...

I must admit I'm more of a Muppets 12 Days myself. Silly to a fault, but harmless.

Mike Godwin said...

"Silly to a fault, but harmless."

That's what they said about Hitler in 1932.

JLRB said...

Nobody ever said that about hitler

liverlip said...

Those seeking an effective chain cleaning device might want to try a hand, a rag, and a little isopropyl alcohol. Until today, I had no idea there was any other way. Somehow it works wonders on the rest of the drivetrain as well.

dop said...

I need to remove the chain so I can play with my park master link pliers

Frequent chain remover said...

SRAM powerlink

Liver Eating Johnson said...

A good scalping knife is all the tool a man needs.

bieks said...

Removing your cassette is the first thing you need to know how to do when you buy a new bike. Trying to remove your pie plate by breaking off little pieces of plastic with a pair of pliers is just frustrating.

Spokey said...


i rode in the basement today. HEY it was snowing!

i have actually replaced my cassette on the 2002 comotion twice now so i'm getting the hang of this pop off the cassette thing. Bama Phred. No need to buy a chain whip. I just borrowed my brother's maybe 10 years ago. I'm sure you can find someone who has a nice unused one. look for an old timer. they'll have two of em as you need two for the old freewheelies. the lock ring thingee is a bigger problem.

i buy a new chain about once a year now. a lot less work than all this cleaning. used to clean once a week. now maybe once a month using that finish line thing. oh, and anyone wanting to start an artisanal career making cute little bottle openers out of chains and gears i've got chains still hanging in the basement. some old cassettes that i can't seem to toss as well.

i feel so ashamed.

Spokey said...

those sram powerlinks are hard to remove by hand. so i bought one of those park tools. haven't used it yet but now someone told me to get a Wippermann Connex link because they are easy to remove by hand. So i bought one of those. both sitting in the basement.

so don't tell me snobbie is the laziest person in the world.

JLRB said...

Spokey - I confess that I too have a bunch of old chains and cassettes in boxes, being heavy and greasy, waiting for some repurposing that will never come. One day I will toss them in the recycling bin.

I also have an old can of parafin wax that I used religiously back in the way back - tried it a few years ago and decided it was a hassle.

Damn you all - I've been sucked into the fredding discussion Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

recumbent conspiracy theorist said...

Save them chains and old bike parts boys. After the oil runs out and the alpaca-lips those will be as good as gold. You can trade for food and crossbow bolts. Didn't you watch Mad Max?

Spokey said...

never did the wax thing. always seemed like too much effort.

Freddinggggggggggggg?

don't think i qualify. since i donated my 12 sp to pedals for progress last fall the smallest tyre i run is a 700x37. always carry a pump and at least one spare. never had anything like a 'kit' unless jackson and gibbens short mated to $12 shirts from campmor count.

In fact, i'll bet i carry emergency equipment snobbie doesn't even dreams of. The question is whether I'll 'loan' some of the TP I keep in a ziploc sandwich bag in my handlebar bag to some suffering fred or whether i'll wait to see if he goes for the poison ivy.

Spokey said...
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Spokey said...

doesn't matter. the hemorrhoids were rated as most likely to die in the zombie alpaca lips. Even worse than DC. Youse in Ohio were just in the surviving half. just barely.

OH

EdmundWilson said...

Spokey:
Sram chain link and Park link tool work great. Wipperman link does work without a tool but is
confusing to put back on right (There is an up and down) However after buying an expensive chain,
the Wipperman chain link was rusty after 2 weeks.
WTF!

Anonymous said...

The problem with cleaning the bikecycle chain is that our modern lifestyle prohibits waiting the proper amount of time to let the chain DRY after being cleaned. If the cleaner isn't completely dry, including BETWEEN the links it'll just wash off the newly applied lubricant and you'll wind up with a filthy chain after about ten minutes of riding. It's best to have two chains, one clean and dry, or at least clean and drying, and the other on the bike. A compact compressor and a high pressure valve speeds the process along tremendously by blowing most of the cleaner off the chain and into your lungs.

Scranus. I love not being a robot.

JLRB said...

That blue 11 speed cassette brush is also an excellent scranus scratcher. Which is why you should never borrow tools.

Peter G said...

Every year I fill my Camelbladder with WD40, put my chain in it and shake it around until the Camelbladder is black.

The chain gets shiney new and all the algae in the Camelbladder is gone, like magic!

wishiwasmerckx said...

I do not favor removing the chain to clean it because you always seem to end up with one stiff link once the pin is replaced with the chainbreak tool.

This seems to be more true as chains have gotten smaller, lighter and skinnier as the number of cogs on the cassette have grown.

It is easy to lose track of the fact that the principal friction points are the rollers more than the plates, and any lube on the outside of the chain lubricates nothing whatsoever.

I leave the chain on the bike and rub it down thoroughly with a rag, then re-apply the lube. Unlike sex lube, the type of chain lube you require depends on the conditions in which you typically ride.

As for the cassette, it is easiest to remove the rear wheel and floss the cogs on the cassette while the wheel is horizontal on the workbench.

wishiwasmerckx said...

As for the 100th comment, I am too lazy to post 4 more meaningless comments just to bask in that glory.

JLRB said...

Yank

JLRB said...

Your

JLRB said...

Chain

liverlip said...

Chain cleaner? Lifestyle? Compressors and high pressure valves? What it is about isopropyl alcohol that you don't understand?

Frequent Chain Remover said...

Spokey… push the outer plates in towards each other. It's a breeze.

Maurice said...

I can't believe how many flippin peeps get the heebie jeebies thinking about removing their cassettes. Give me a break.

Spokey said...

100 link chain seems kind of small JLRB but congrats anyway

Spokey said...

FCR

that is what I do but it's still often tough to get them slide to the exit hole. Maybe I do need to do more cleaning.

What seems to work best for me is to shift small-small and use the slack to double the chain back on itself with the link in the middle. That way I can push against the pivot points. will try that next time (hopefully never) i need to break the chain out on the road. for home i'll being trying out that park tool.

Grin And Bare It said...

I use the Park GearClean Brush to clean my teeth. The large bristles reach those 'hard to get' places with ease, though that CB-2 Citrus Chain Bright really burns my tongue.

Jeb said...

I thinks me that the last cassette I done removed was a CCR one from that eight-track in my ol' Dodge pick-up truck.

bieks said...

I have yet to find a toothbrush that isn't 7/8/9 speed compatible.

Huge Cock said...

I have a huge cock.

Max Levchin said...

I am Fred hear me rowr

john candy said...

what is this chin whip you speak of? Sounds kinky. How many nM's should I use with it? Is it an orange whip? I'll have three

capcha says 212..but snob lives in 718

Anonymous said...

At first glance I thought it said Park Tool Gang Bang Cleaning System.

David Pearce said...

On Chain Cleaning:

Priest to his Boys Confirmation Class on the evils of "Chain Cleaning":

"Pull it once to clean the bore,
Pull it twice, you've sinned some more!!"

Anonymous said...

I spray the drive train with tri- flo and use my air compressor to blast out the grit. I use rags to absorb the excess and wipe down the area before cleaning the rest of the bike. It works great. I do it outside on my gravel driveway.

Mr. Ed said...

Shut up about the fucking horses. Cars killing people sucks and so does having horses drag fat fucks around the city. Dickhole.

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kurnia tani said...

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kurnia tani said...

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kurnia tani said...

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kurnia tani said...

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kurnia tani said...

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kurnia tani said...

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kurnia tani said...

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kurnia tani said...

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kurnia tani said...

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kurnia tani said...

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kurnia tani said...

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kurnia tani said...

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kurnia tani said...

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kurnia tani said...

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