Monday, August 18, 2008

Sweeping Generalizations: What Happens When You Assume

Further to last Friday's post, more than one person objected to my singling out the Leader bike with the doctored fork. (Okay, two people. One commented on the post, and one emailed me.) I maintain though that it is important to point out mistakes, because it's fun and informative, and it can also help people. Here's another mistake by a Leader owner, which a reader recently spotted in downtown Los Angeles:



While I strongly believe that no road-going bicycle should ever sport a quick-release seat clamp, that's mostly a stylistic quibble, and I'm sure some people have valid reasons for using them. However, there's definitely no reason to have a quick-release anything on a bike that's going to spend any time being locked up outside (unless the quick-release is there so you can remove the component and take it inside with you), and there's even less reason to lock your bike by that quick-release component and nothing else.

I have to admit that I am completely baffled as to why, of all the tubes visible in this photograph, the owner chose to pass his lock around that one. He might as well have locked it to a FedEx truck, or to a sprig of bougainvillea, or to a fragrance wafting out of a bakery. Perhaps he didn't spend enough time doing mazes with crayons on diner mats as a child and can't differentiate between closed- and open-ended.

Granted, passing a lock through a bike can sometimes be complicated, and even I have found myself staring at the ganglion of chain and cable before leaving a bike, lest I realize I got so preoccupied with securing both wheels that I forgot to pass the chain around the pole or something. But this one's just bad. It's not even like he locked only the wheel to the pole or something. In this case, the thief will get away with 100% of the bike.

The only thing that, for me, could have made it worse would have been if he'd also locked up his helmet. I don't understand why people so often lock their helmets along with their bikes. You should never, ever leave anything you intend to wear unattended on a sidewalk and attached to a pole. Unless you like wearing things that have been urinated on by dogs, bring the skid lid inside.

After looking at this bike, and Friday's bike, and Fatty's bike, I began to wonder if maybe there was something about Leader owners that might explain kind of behavior. But then I stopped myself. It's tempting to make generalizations about people based on only a few examples, but ultimately it's wrong. My generalization of Mini owners as text-messaging vinophiles was met with outrage in the Mini-driving community. I've also gotten in trouble for declaring that Canadians are lazy, people who drive Nissans are idiots, and that people who watch the sitcom "Two and a Half Men" become inappropriately aroused when their pets nestle between their legs. So having been wrong before, I'm not going to do it again. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there riding Leader bikes who know what they're doing.

There is one generalization that is true, though, and it's that Bianchi Pista owners ask too much for their bikes. The NYC PistaDex is at 550 this morning, thanks largely to this overpriced offering:




Beautiful Bianchi Pista (Silver) with Kryptonite Lock + Extras - $700 (Inwood / Wash Hts)

Reply to: [deleted]

Date: 2008-08-17, 12:30AM EDT


Beautiful Bianchi Pista for sale. Pics attached.

Comes with:

Fixed gear and Free wheel gear (just flip the back wheel)

Handle bar grips (not in picture)

pedal toe clips

Kryptonite lock

Also have a Timbuk2 Laptop Messenger Bag for sale ($55) if you want it.


It's a great ride, the fixed gear allows you to get a real feel for the road (every little movement of your legs, it feels like an extension of your body).


It's a simple but elegantly designed and well built bike. Great for the city!

I like how the "handle bar grips" are "not in picture." Of course they're not. It's a Pista! Why would they be on the bike? I also like the poetic bit about how the "fixed gear allows you to get a real feel for the road." You'll also get a real feel for the road when your hands slip off the bare bars and you rub the asphalt with your face.

Poetic as this may be, if you want to see art in the service of Pista salesmanship, you have to go to eBay. A reader recently forwarded me this offering:







Unfortunately the listing has since been removed, but I was able to manage a few screen shots before that happend. I'm sure you'll agree that this is perhaps the most evocative and controversial Pista ad ever devised. Unlike the Cervelo porn we saw awhile back, I saw no reason to censor this, because this is not porn. Not only are the naughty bits artfully obscured, but it's also kind of sepia, and anything sepia is art. That's the rule.

Then again, it is possible to abuse the "sepia rule," which is probably why eBay pulled the listing. And I must confess these photos do sort of call to mind those somewhat disturbing Lewis Carroll photographs:

Finally, in the spirit of incorrect generalizations, another one is that Rivendell enthusiasts are above shopping on Craigslist:


Dear Universe: Plz send me a Rivendell. I love you. Amen.
Reply to: [deleted}
Date: 2008-08-16, 5:16PM EDT

Dear Dear Dear Universe,

You know I love you. I want only to celebrate you through excessively awesome bicycle riding whereby all humans and their children will see the bike which I will ride, and frolic in orgasmic gasps of joy about me. So please, please, please, in your mercy, send me a Rivendell bike. 54-56 cm frame would be best. Color can be whatever, for I have faith in you.

In return, I swear to irritate those snotty carbon-frame riders, who will have no choice but to acknowledge the superiority of those things which you in your infinite wisdom have given us, like custom fitted lugs. And I will spread your truth and light to the aluminum riders, who have been led astray. Moreover, I understand aluminum gives you Alzheimers, and that is a terrible thing to have in your crotch. Indeed, they know not what they do.

But because I have asked you in your infinite bounty, I know you will provide. Thank you in advance, Universe.

Your friend and true believer,

C. (the hot one with the legs and the hair, you remember me, right, Universe? Email me, we'll talk.)

I don't know which is more misguided: looking for a Rivendell on Craigslist, or attempting to communicate with a higher power on Craigslist. It's pretty much the last place you'll find either. The person who wrote this probably also freaks out at the local bodega because they don't have truffle oil. I'm also a bit disturbed that this person seems willing to trade sex for a Rivendell (although I suspect the bit about "the legs and the hair" is a typo and should simply read "with the leg hair," since we are talking about a Rivendell fan), and even more disturbed by the revelation that aluminum can apparently give you Alzheimers of the crotch. All I can say about that is, thank the Universe the model in the eBay ad is straddling a steel bike!

Somebody forward this to Grant Petersen.

116 comments:

ice cube said...

PODIUM!

Wishiwasmerckx said...

Podium, bitches.

Lucky 7 said...

Oooh la la . . .



A

Mark said...

Like that shot! What's her name again?

Anonymous said...

woot

ken said...

fail! so close

Texas_Hooligan said...

top 10!!!!

ant1st said...

First!

Anonymous said...

top ten

Anonymous said...

Fofonoved!

Barkernews said...

sooo close!

thejakesnakes said...

Ha!

Lucky 7 said...

I am sportin' a Phil Wood, too.

Nude sepia bike modeling is how I imagine frilly spends those quiet evenings at home in the CWE. Red patent leather kitten heals w/ spd clips? Certainly she's gonna be astride a whip more deserving than a Pista. I can appreciate your modesty and taste, frills.



A

JIM N said...

In the future, I will be able to sell off my collection of steel handlebars, steel stems, and steel rims and retire on the profits. Thank you Grant Petersin, you ol' custom fitted lug.

Jim said...

Wow. That guy praying for a Rivendell sure has a fistful of seatpost up his... um... seat tube. Not sure there's any clearance between the top tube and his (apparently Alzheimer's decimated) crotch though.

Jim said...

BTW, to make it perfectly clear, I'm no relation to Jim N, in spite of having the exact same identical first name.

Just in case you were wondering.

Anonymous said...

Mazal Tov!

ice cube said...

Maybe Leader bikes are for the more "athleticly oriented" like Fatty? Pistas are for anyone, IROs are for those who used to own Pistas, Surlys are for people who like brown bikes. And so on and so forth. Oh and Mercier bikes are worth twice what you paid....

DZ Nuts said...

That eBay picture probably wouldn't have aroused if she wasn't straddling that bike.

I'm seeing my therapist tomorrow...

Anonymous said...

Re the Rivendell, it looks like someone that writes supsiciously like RTMS has flipped out, got a pair of leather sandals, read "The Secret", and "asked, believed" and maybe will "receive".

Has all the hating from the miniphiles got to you RTMS?

Mongo Pusher said...

Veinte!

Fatty said...

I saw the "Fatty's bike" mention, and admit to panicking.

boobsnob said...

i know the appropriate level of nudity is subjective thing but unless the bikesnob is also my boss can you start cutting back on the nekkidness? some of us read this blog when we should be working.

Commiecanuk said...

Yawn.Dunno, just couldn't read all the way to the end of the blog, time to open another bag of Doritos and wait for the Men's Trampoline event in Beijing. ssssighhhhhh...

That Ebay ad gave me Phil wood.

Boobsnob, would you boss be offended by pics of dead bodies in Iraq? Don't think so.

totalchaud said...

top ten!!!!

totalchaud said...

i take it back. i too got fof'vd.

Anonymous said...

Viva la Domestiques!

Anonymous said...

teehee. i'm canadian and i am lazy.

G Lee said...

That ebay girl needs a toptube pad.

Bikeslob 80220 said...

$300 for a Pista with chlamydia AND genital warts???

leroy said...
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Anon 2:11 said...

So, the big story this week is that somebody did not securely lock their bicycle?

You know, it's a shame that I arrived on the scene just as he was running out of material and had resorted to provocative pictures (what is that, two in two weeks?) to draw an audience.

I'll bet the the lack of an interesting editorial is trumped by the porn and this post receives record high page views.

Hobbes: "I don't know what scares me more? That everyone has their price or that the price is always so low."

g said...

BTW, to make it perfectly clear, I'm no relation to g lee, in spite of having the exact same identical first initial.

Just in case you were wondering.

leroy said...

Well of course I don't know art, but I know what I like.

I like that E-Bay Pista ad.
The theme I'm getting is:

"My girl friend moved out, left her Pista behind; now I'm displaying her nude photo on E-Bay and selling her bike to get even."

I realize not everybody will view it that way (it is a large frame). But heck, real art is just chock-a-block with a multiplicity of meaning.

And anyway, I could be wrong. I once flunked that test where they ask you what you see in the ink blots.

Hey Anon 2:11 PM -- great to see you back! Tell the truth though.... You don't come here for the bike stuff, do you?

JIM N said...

G Lee is Geddy Lee of Rush.

Commiecanuk said...

Anon 2:11,

You are obviously ahead of your time, ~1 second to be accurate.

People relying on provocative pictures to increase traffic on a website!?! Unheard of! Outrageous!, this is not the internet I signed on for! We should all just be exchanging data packets on electron dynamic simulations and using emoticons anyway, not staring at..at...smut..there, I said it.
:-)

Commiecanuk said...

Yes, g, but you MUST be related to G. Gordon Liddy.

Admit it.

Anonymous said...

so provocative, so frustrating.

dugga dugga dugga dugga...

Anonymous said...

Why is she wearing flip-flops? So wierd.

Norman said...

@ 2:10 - anon 2:11 said . . .
"bla bla bla"

So, you post over an hour after the entry was put up and you still didn't have time to read it?

Anonymous said...

my wiener is doing flip-flops, so weird.

Anonymous said...

[useless anon 2:11 deleted]

wishiwasmreckx said...

On vacation today, so I got to watch the women's olympic triathalon from Bejing. The announcer helpfully informed the viewers that the competitors held speeds on the flats between 30 and 40 MPH in the bike leg. Damn, either those girls are really, really fast, or that announcer is really, really retarded.
The coolest part? One of the competitors crashed AFTER dismounting, while running to park the bike before starting the run leg.

Anon 2:11 said...

Well, I thought I did. I do ride a lot. I'm young and well educated and, as much as Snob doesn't want to fling muck in the comments section, it's the only place you can really try to scare him out of his hole.

I'd love to have a real discussion but he makes it pretty clear he is not interested and if I have learned anything in my time wading around in forums, neither is anyone else.

Like I said, I was recommended this site by a now one-armed friend so Snob does a have a fan in my circle.

He might even be on hear fencing with me as we speak.

I don't like hypocrisy and this place is chock full of it. Nothing is funnier than you guys screaming at me for commiting the same crimes as your leader.

The only difference is you don't think he deserves it.

Anon 2:11 said...

Norman was named after the cow in City Slickers.

Take that!

Gerchof Sirdribeldik said...

Is wonderful country to find bike for the buying and make your penis jump at same time.

skkk said...

one less prius!

Lucky 7 said...

@ anon 2:11,

Get lost tourist. I'm sure you are so unimpressed by the content here as you lack any creativity of your own. Where's your blog? Pack up your platitudes and go troll the political sites to make your delightful contributions to the eternal flame. You are boring.





A

Anon 2:11 said...

A,

Do you pronounce your name as a long or short "a". Either way I'm sure your friends hate it.

It is adorable though. Like a grammar criminal leaving his calling card at the scene.

Lucky 7 said...

You still here?


A

Commiecanuk said...

wishiwasmreckx,

It's amazing how many ways try-athletes can crash a bike, in fact, it's really the only innovation in the sport since speedos cannot get any smaller according to the laws of physics. I see a new demonstration sport in 2012: trythlete crashing open mat competition, and dare I dream...synchronized trythlete crashing open mat competition.

bikesgonewild said...

...hey, bsnyc/rtms...not all canadians are lazy...

...having been born there, i' ll attest that i sure as hell am but not "all"...

...anon 2:11...re: your attitude of "Nothing is funnier than you guys screaming at me for committing the same crimes as your leader. The only difference is you don't think he deserves it."...
...no, dummy...the difference is, he's good, if not great at it & you aren't...like, not even close...

...btw, ya spelled "committing" wrong...

...just sayin'...

george said...

That sepia babe.....i fucked her.

tech support said...

Ya know, if you click on the "Anon 2:11" line the comment disappears. It's like scraping shit off your shoe.
The comments section smells that much better.

Bikeslob 80220 said...

Snob, can we get a new troll? This one is not doing a great job.

Anonymous said...

GP would probably smite any knucklehead looking for a "54-56cm"/whatever size frame...

Pai Mei said...

Anon 2:11,

I hope enjoy spamming internet message boards, I hope you prosper in this quest.

Aside from Anon 2:11 comments,

I would like to say, I have "locked" my bike up at a train station, only to come back several hours later and realised that I just locked the rear wheel to the frame.

However a battered 80's racing bike with a Rolls saddle that looks like it has been on the receiving end of wolverine's adamantium claws and a rather scratched up paint job does is not attractive to most bike thieves.

Grump said...

Mr Snob, Did you ever stop to think the the Leader's owner
1) Is just dumb.
2) Has no idea what a quick release seatpost clamp is.
3) Is really stoopid.

Anonymous said...

I here 2:11's well educated. hear hear.

Anon 2:11 said...

...now that's a low blow...

...and some pretty harsh grammar radiation...

...does using this notation excuse me from making mistakes...

...maybe snob can put these around his comma usage...

Anonymous said...

I thought Rivendell ownership was a rite of passage; not something the bicycle Gods casually bestow upon one. I mean, are we sure this guy knows how to filter drinking water through a sweaty bandana, argue the finer points of wool, wipe his ass Pilipino style?

Gerchof Sirdribeldik said...

Lady without the clothing almost makes me forget saying in my home country: when you assume, it makes the wild donkeys to grow the long penis.

swissticcus said...

If I happened to accidentally stumble upon (better yet, if a friend happened to visit) a porn fetish website, would there be a link to bicycle porn?

Anonymous said...

She can polish my top tube any time!

bikesgonewild said...

...anon 2:11...wow...nothing original whatsoever, huh ???...

...enjoy yer daze...i'm gone...

...ciao...

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 2:34 PM

You need to relax a bit. Chopping your friends arm off is not OK, even if the blog he told you about didn't meed your expectations!

McChris said...

The pretentious word for "wine lover" is actually "oenophile," rather than "vinophile."

Anonymous said...

I don't care what he claims 2:11 is one of the Mini Owners. His vitriol matches perfectly and his recent appearance occurred just after the Mini-Outing.

He also has the same backed-up seropurulent level of anger, like the Mini Owners, that just threatens to "door" your ass off your bike, but fortunately (and unfortunately for him) not the actual balls to do it. I really think this guy belongs to our new and fast growing class of poorly educated and misinformed intellectuals we're growing like crabgrass here in the good old US of A. Fake biker. Fake non-Mini Owner. Fake intellectual. Hence severe jealousy of BSNYC and anyone like him.

..I'm just sayin' ...

wishiwasmerckx said...

Anon 2:11, we already knew exactly what you are all about, but calling yourself well educated, then misusing "hear" for "here" in the same post is just a little precious. In a few days, you will move on, like the other attention whores before you invariably have. In the meantime, I am going back to you having a community college education.
Cordially,
Wishiwasmerckx

Jim said...

2:11 - you can make fun of us for being sycophants, make fun of BikeSnob for being trite, but on Christ's wounds, I beg you, please consider that you may be wrong in your overuse of elipses.

There is a commenter around here who will tear you a new one if he catches you abusing the ellipses. Overuse, misplacement, and improper spacing between the periods could all get you into trouble with him. Moreover, your flagrant ellipsis abuse calls into question your claims of being well educated; perhaps you are educated, but well educated? I am not so sure. . . .

Please, don't thank me for the advice. It's the least I can do. I mean, y'know, as long as we're being petty, smug little pedantic bastards here and all.

Anonymous said...

OMG, Aluminum frames gives you Alheimers in the crotch, I would have never guessed...hmmm why am on on this bike...oh where am I. I'm lost can someone please get me home now....I'm scarred!!!! Oh wait that's not my crotch speaking to me is it?

Anon 2:11 said...

Jim,

I <3 you.

Carissa said...

Well, the universe put a Rivendell Bleriot frame on Craigslist here in Portland, and it hasn't sold yet...http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/800777349.html

mr.complaint said...

The owner of that "Leader" may be aware of how desirable a "Leader" is.

Anarchy rules. OK?

... said...

Bbbbrrrrrrrrr, it's cold in here. But sepia does provide a touch of warmth...

sean pm said...
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sean pm said...

best post ever!

Mini owner from Europe said...

2:11,

commiting the same crimes as your leader

Shouldn't that be "Leader" (captial l) as per the article?

Just aiding and abetting...

Anonymous said...

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Search for Bike Snob and download the podcast.

Anonymous said...

Canadians are not lazy, they are sneaky. They look just like us, but they are not. Look for the Maple leaf.

The Alzheimer's thing is a non-issue. In order to get Alzheimer's one would have to expose a bare crotch to bare aluminum for quite some time. And besides, how much does a crotch need to remember anyway?

frilly said...

A--I'm actually a mid-county girl. As for the speed clips, I'll have to have a word with the fellas at the lbs. I don't wear flip flops and would never consider them proper footwear for any, um, "bike modeling" sessions.

I saw a recumbent tandem at the Ramble this weekend, wtf?!?

Anonymous said...

BSNY sounds like Man Show's Adam Carolla! Could it be?

short hair said...

Nah, Bike snob doesn't use any of Adam's catch phrases, isn't *cool* enough (no offense snobby but I think we can all agree that you, like all bikers, are kinda a dork)and I think Adam would make a terrible writer. Anyone else think Striker ruins loveline and it will never be the same without Adam?

---good times though ... good times---

Anonymous said...

Adam Carolla is cool? Who knew!

Andy Pandy said...

The back bone is connected to the hip bone, and the hip bone is connected to the thigh bone ,and the thigh bone is connected to the leg bone. Thus legs are irrefutably connected to your body as Doctor Nick Riviera explained in Anatomy 101. And when did Melanie do a remake on her 60’s hit….. Oh Lord won’t you buy me a Rivendell. My friends all have Cervelos I must make amends

jelliot said...

Canadians -Stupid, worthless, no good, goddamn, freeloading son of a bitch. Retarded, big mouth, know-it-all, asshole, jerk. You forgot ugly, lazy and disrespectful. Shut up bitch...go fix me a turkey pot pie. No dad, what about you? Fuck you. No dad, what about you? Fuck you. Dad, what about you? Fuck YOU.

Andy Pandy said...

Anon 2:11 if you are young, well educated and probably stunning looking like Brad or Angie as you elude to then you have a group of sicko-phants around you 24/7 who can slap you on the back after you woo the RTMS out of his stoat hole and slay him with your barbed wit. More physically challenged trolls like me only wish upon a star to catch a parting wisp of your exhaust. And look what you did , you scared BGW away , now I have nothing to base my day upon

Simon N said...

Maybe Snob is bored. I mean, does anyone else think Anon @ 2:11 sounds... familiar? I think RTMS is having a Mike Patton moment.

Also,

"You'll also get a real feel for the road when your hands slip off the bare bars and you rub the asphalt with your face".

Nice.

tex said...

School starts soon, so we won't have to endure Mini Tool 2:11 farting in our general direction for much longer.

ken said...

i wanted to make a joke like prolly about anon 2:11 but couldn't find the right phrase. prolly could you step up please? you know... "I've known..." please?

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:11,

One of the first rules of public discourse is that self-glossing is quite plebian and reflect's poorly on one's upbringing.

Of course in your case its not the dreadful, "Ah-ah-ah-ow-ow-ow-oo!", but vapid words, devoid of anything but self-love and comdemnation for your fellow man.

You must be a pleasant chap to be around. Perhaps we can meet sometime.

Disregards!

Higgins

Lord Batu said...

Do you ever wonder if someone's casing you Bike Snob?
You know kids playing along, setting up quick release u-lock techniques right outside of your haunts?
I know new york is a big city and all, but you never know right?
Other wise that was some funny shit, and I too have found myself staring at my bike , making sure I haven't somehow not secured it as best I can. Good call on the helmet though... I'm throwing this one away and bringing it in from now on.

Lord Batu said...

I almost forgot,... the pussy on the top tube looked kinda nice, but it illustrates the point that even bike nerds with fixed gears are pulling hella tail these days.

tOrso said...

Sometimes I clip my helmet to my handlebars after locking the bike. I don't lock the helmet. It's usually when I am stocking up on my favourite cheeses.

Thanks for the posts. Yes, you can be the leader for now. All we get up here otherwise is Stephen Harper and I'm too comfortable in this convenient paradise to do all my own thinking.

Lucky 7 said...

Frilly,

Mid-county, so noted. I was in E'ville.

Can't wait to see the final outcome on those new kicks we were talking about. Post a pic, kay? Like I said, a bike more deserving follows with shoes that don't slap.

A tandem recumbent? That's a love seat, right?



A

frilly said...

A--Not to be undignified but my first thought when I saw it was, "Doggy style, now thats interesting."

What, it was 2:30 in the morning!

And, on second thought, I'm thinking stilettos. Really high ones at that, since it doesn't look like there's any actual riding involved.

frilly said...

A--B'wood for me, but not the Forest. E'ville? I'm a little surprised, for some reason I woulda had you pegged for downtown, maybe Soulard or Benton Park.

Lucky 7 said...
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dave said...

universal syncronicity? i can connect the poorly locked bike pic with the rivendell musings:

this weekend in state college, pa, i saw a bridgestone xo-1 locked up with a cable lock...

incidentally, i'm not a bike thief, or a grant peterson fan, but that sight made me wish for a pair of diagonal cutters.

ant1st said...

100th!

Shebupnitz said...

Anon 2:11 what a mashugana, oy vey...

Anonymous said...

That really should be 'text-messaging oenophiles' old chap.

GW said...

I just heard the Russians invaded Georgia, whew!..good thing the Olympics weren't in Atlanta again this year!

Ka_Jun said...

Anonymous August 18, 2008 3:23 PM

The word you're looking for is "tabo", an indicator of civilization.

Ben Dover said...

I wanna eat that

bikesgonewild said...

...while the "sepia cyclist" looks quite lovely, the afore mentioned lewis carrol was a sick bastard who happened to be an interesting writer...

...his fans all defend him w/ "oh, the times & sensibilities were different & those are just wonderfully innocent pictures"...let's face it, folks, the man was a substance abuser & a sick bastard...

...just sayin'...

Johnny Nemo said...

I guess 'rubbing one out' on the top tube is the only way you could really get excited over a Pista ?!

PCM said...

I always lock my helmet with my bike. Sometimes I don't even lock it and just leave it there.

1) It's a pain to carry inside (it's not like the damn thing folds.

2) It never touches the ground (no dog piss).

3) Deep down, I think I want somebody to steal it! Then I wouldn't have to wear the damn thing till I bought another (but nobody ever has).

Ian said...

whoa i'm from carbondale and i saw that same bikle with the nude girl photo on craigslist a couple weeks ago... i thought it was just a joke from some fixed gear prankster

ONYRLFT said...

Tsk. Tsk. Shame you boys aren't in NH.

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Purloined Peddler said...

Just recently bought a Rivendell Sam Hillborne off of Craigslist. Had to drive 6 hours to Vermont to pick it up. Despite my decidedly distant desire for a dalliance, there was no sepia damsel dallying with the deliverable at my destination, just the crusty, honest, nobel Vermonter who'd posted the prize. I'm thinking of setting it up as a gravel bike with fenders...