Wednesday, November 15, 2017

Wednesday: It's What's For Dinner

Today's post must needs be brief again as I am headed down to this thing:
I look forward to fielding many questions about why those damn bikers think the laws don't apply to them.

Rest assured however that I have not been idle.  Indeed, when I left you yesterday we were here:


And by the afternoon I had Ol' Piney officially Jones-ified:


Sadly by the time I was finished all I had time for was a brief shakedown ride, but my first impressions were very positive indeed, and I would have disappeared deep into the woods of suburbia if only I'd been at liberty to do so:


I'm looking forward to doing a proper ride soon, and in the coming days I'll experiment with positioning, probably put more tape on the bars, cut myself some new jorts (it's really evolving into that kind of bike) and so forth.

Oh, and if you're wondering about the trouble I encountered whilst switching over to cabal-activated dick breaks, it was that the rear Avid BB7 brake caliper did not fit under the seatstay.  Upon hearing I was having this problem Jones were kind enough to offer some possible solutions.  However, given how insufficient the clearance was I had my doubts, which is probably silly of me since they're easily a thousand times smarter about bikes than I am.  More importantly though, these solutions also required items I did not have on hand, and the bottom line was that if I didn't finish the bike right then there was no telling when I'd be able to get back to it.  (The life of a semi-professional bike blogger and one-person media empire is quite hectic, as you can no doubt imagine.)  It was either get it done or let it sit until Thanksgiving.  So I dug out this Forté-branded Tektro caliper I happened to have (the brake set was on sale years ago for like nineteen cents) and whadya know, it fit perfectly:


Indeed, as I put it on it remembered I actually like these brakes better than the Avids, so I was looking forward to installing the front one as well and calling the whole debacle a happy accident--until it turned out that the long brake pad tabs on the Tektro/Forté interfered with the brake adapter.  And since that was the only 180mm adapter I had, it was on with the Avid:


So now I'm palping a pretty sweet Forté/Avid mechanical disc brake mullet, which will no doubt inspire disgust in all the mountain Freds but which I find oddly satisfying.

And once that all-weather Cambium comes in I'll really be in business--well, business in the front, anyway, because the party's in the back.

63 comments:

BeerDrivenCyclist said...

Podioio?

BeerDrivenCyclist said...

Sneaky sprint from the side?

NHcycler said...

I suspect that by November, even in the balmy southern latitudes of NYC, jorts will have to wait until May.

Anonymous said...

Podio Bitches

N/A said...

Early Wednesday Weeds!


The Jones bars look great on there. Thanks for the rider's view shot of the cockpit. Less cramped looking than I was afeared, which is good. Hmm these bars are def on my shortlist now.


The best thing about fall and colder temps and the soforths is that there's less traffic on the sucky trails. Makes for great peaceful rides and hikes (I like to walk sometimes, too, so I don't forget how.)

Anonymous said...

Early

Name said...

Would that be first?

JLRB said...

Congrats on finding a workable solution. I misunderstood a prior post and thought you were going rim brakes in the rear-way.

Off topic - has anyone ever done one of these cranksgiving rides?

Pist Off said...

That’s a fine looking mountin’ bikecycle. Go have fun in the woods. Tektro makes good stuff at all price points; their priciest hydrolic dicks won this years men’s World Cup DH series.

Cabal O'Diks said...

Ok, Ok, Here's how you can still run that BB7 on the rear: run a 140mm rotor! I thought your set-up was a post-mount situation on the rear chainstays, but since you've got ISO tabs, you're in biz. I run a 140mm rear rotor on my 29er, and for rear brake applications, it offers plenty of power. You're welcome.


P.S. The correct rear adapter can either be a rear 140mm PM/ISO or a front 160mm PM/ISO.

Cabal O'Diks said...

I forgot to mention why you'd wanna' run that BB7 in the back: Nothing (including hidrolic) touches BB7's for total adjustability.
Dual pad adjustments let you dial in contact/engagement points and modulation.
The adjustable torque-arm return spring tension lets you dial in the absolute lowest lever tension-Avid is the only Mech-caliper Diks that I know that offers this feature. Makes for a supple lever feel, unrivaled by any liquid system.

Schisthead said...

Jones bar looks sweet, I like the radius look.
Like the front side of a bus steering wheel.

I think it would make me want a very loud horn.

Perhaps one that goes "Aaahhooooogaah!"

George Krpan said...

I installed my Jones SG 2.5 upside down on my no suspension 29+.

George Krpan said...

Funny, when I installed my Jones bar, I didn't have any problem with brake hose lengths.

Anonymous said...

I've been running a Mary Bar for years now, and love it.

https://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/HBOOMA/on-one-mary-handlebar

janinedm said...

I've done Cranksgiving 3 times. Would have done the Bronx on last weekend, but I'm playing guitar in a 90s cover band and gave my entire weekend up to learning lead parts. What's up? Are you thinking about doing the one coming up in Brooklyn? I've never done that one; it's new, I think.

BikeSnobNYC said...

Cabal O'Dics,

The Tektro has inboard and outboard pad adjustment. Outboard pad adjusts via barrel adjuster, inboard via allen key. Yes, that requires a tool, but in practice it's easier than that always sticky inboard Avid dial. Pretty sure there's a tension adjustment too.

Bonus: Tektro pads are magnetic and you don't deal with that Avid spring sadwich.

--Wildcat Etc.

Anonymous said...

I would have just skipped the rear brake until I had ridden with the bars long enough to know they would be worth the effort. True this inhibits proper testing of the Jones bars for wheelies and 50% slopes with full bike-packing dunnage. And in that vein of unsolicited advice... I also probably would have just left the old brakes on and swapped the back line to the front with a few extra loops held tight with a twist-tie. 5 minutes. That you made so much effort shows a real commitment to thorough testing and these bars in general.

Saskatchewan Speed Wrench said...

Avid BB7 are a hydraulic-eschewing mountain Barney's dream brake, with those bright red plastic, finger shredding, usually-seized pad dials.

Clancy Anderson said...

Avid spring sandwich- Makes for sloppy eating and taste bad.

bad boy of the south said...

Well,dems da brakes!

JLRB said...

janinedm - I'm thinking of doing the one near me in DC on Saturday - https://www.biketothebeach.org/cranksgiving/
apparently it has spread from NYC to multiple spots across the country - a Fredly neighbor told me about it - not sure what pressure I should run if I do it

janinedm said...

Cranksgixing is a great time. It's really a moment for utility cyclists (people who work on their bikes and commuters) to shine. Riding in a circle carrying some goo and a patch kit is one thing, but plotting a course through your town and delivering undamaged pies gives you a true sense of accomplishment. Even more so when you roll up to whatever food bank or church or shelter is the beneficiary of all the food. If the rules are the same as NYC (one item per grocery store, no repeating), do everything in your power to avoid Whole Foods. It's easier to get out of a land war in Asia than it is to get through a Whole Foods on a Saturday afternoon without losing your mind and messing up your ride. And if you're going to try to bring pie, buy it last.

Knüt Fredrikkson said...

I recently switched from bb7 to trp spoke and I'm very pleased. Lots of adjustments, and BOTH PADS MOVE when you squeeze the lever. I like the modulation and there's a lot less squealing and rubbing. (that sounds dirtier that I intended)

Freddy Murcks said...

About the only thing I have ever found to complain about in the MTB vs. road bike realm is the lack of hand position options on MTB bars. That said, I don't think I am quite ready to fully dorkify my barney bike with the Jones bar. Let your freak flag fly nevertheless, Snob.

BikeSnobNYC said...

Freddy Murcks,

MTBs are pretty ugly to begin with so why deprive yourself the hand positions?

--Wildcat Etc.

grog said...

Word of caution. If you like your handlebar, figure out a way to secure it. I know a guy who had his bar stolen with a few bolt twists, a few cable snips. Away it went. It's a tough world we live in.

leroy said...

Poll: If you were buying a bike for your wife who doesn't ride much, but needs something other than the heavy weight, knobby tired hybrid your daughter got 15 years ago, so she can do more road rides with you, would you:

A. Surprise her with an inexpensive used steel step through frame bike nicely restored or

B. Don't even go there, she has to pick out her own bike.

HDEB said...

Go do a cranksgiving ride! It is fun and for a good cause : )

Pathetic Old Cyclist said...

Freddy Murks, Hand positions is why I left my flat bar on my hardtail and went back to bar ends. Sweet Jesus, I loved my bar ends in the nineties, when I got my first MTB, and just forgot about them over time. I love them and cant wait to hook a tree with them again. I may even go full Barney and put them on my Dualie with the riser bars. I'm sure that'll get me some sneers.

bleeble blabble frazzle snazzle said...

snob, did you mean to say that the avid didn't fit under the seatstay? GOTCHA! PEDANTRY FOR THE WIN!

JLRB said...

If you like your handlebar, you can keep your handlebar

BikeSnobNYC said...

bleeble,

Yes! Thank you, corrected.

--Wildcat Etc.

JLRB said...

janinedm and HDEB - If I can shift some family obligations around I think I will do the cranksgiving. Need to figure out whether just my usual backpack will suffice or if I should go racks and panniers - or if a turkey and case of beer are on the list - go full Bob trailer.

Knüt Fredrikkson said...

Sorry, my previous post should have mentioned the TRP Spyke caliper, instead of spoke...
And I forgot to mention that I love Avid speed dial 7 levers for mechanical dicks, which allow you to change the leverage ratio. This allows you to compensate, to a certain extent, for differences in feel caused by cable length and routing.

I would also like to suggest that you test some non-essential attributes of the new bars, like:
How many Knog cysts can you fit on them?
How many cup holders or rear view mirrors?
Is there enough room to attach every handlebar mounted accessory that you own?

dancesonpedals said...

Those bar-ends will poke your liver out.

bad boy of the south said...

Leroy,A.it's the thought that counted.
B.after the thanks for the thought,sell the aforementioned restoral or trade for the one she opts for.
C.if neither A or B watch out for the thrown rolling pin or cell phone(todays rolling pin).either way, duck!

Freddy Murcks said...

Pathetic Old Cyclist - I usually MTB with regular grips, but I throw a set of Ergons with the bar ends on for the endurance races. It does get some funny looks from the fashionistas, but I think it's worth it. Bar ends can be very nice when you need to stand up, when your hands are getting sore, when your back is getting achy, etc.

On that note, I think a Jones bar would be really nice every once in a while, but probably not worth the change and having to get used to the different shape, etc. for every ride. For the every once in a while, the Ergons are probably sufficient.

wishiwasmerckx said...

Leroy, if you want to avoid divorce and show her that you love her, the only option is to buy her a bike she won't be embarrassed to be seen astride.

I am a big fan of the LIV line because they are engineered specifically for female body geometry.

For a road bike, I recommend the Lamgma Advanced SL 0 for $9,800. For off road, try the Pique Advanced 0 for $8,975.00. If you want more comfort and better maneuverability, I recommend the Avow Advanced Pro 0 time-trial machine at $8,000.00.

Either way, budget another $600.00 - $800.00 for matching Liv-branded shorts, jersey, socks, jacket, etc., etc.

Don't be a cheap bastard. After all, she puts up with not only you, but the varied misadventures of your, ahem, Dog.

wishiwasmerckx said...

Bleeble, pedantry is my raison d'etre. It is my entire life.

sweatpants cyclist said...

Snob, since you're going with mechanical brake cables, have you considered installing in-line brake levers? I mean, who really wants to move their hand from a comfy perch just to pull a brake lever? While you're at it, maybe install two pairs of in-line brake levers, for the full deer antler look. Also, how do you think the Jones handlebar compares to the Surly Open Bar?

Dooth said...

That Jones bar is quite sexy--literally...you can eat someone out on that thing.

Skidmark said...

Dorkaphobia is treatable.

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HDEB said...

Medium size backpack was good, list was 30ish dollars and pounds of mostly canned goods

BikeSnobNYC said...

sweatpants cyclist,

I have not nor will I but I would love to see someone else do it!

I don't think the Surly Open Bar compares to the Jones at all, apart from having sweep they're very different. Looks like a great commute bar though.

--Wildcat Etc.

McFly said...

Am I crazy or does Wiggo look like they just inserted about 3/4 of an inch of said probe?

Old Timer said...

Huh? What?

MoreOfAPedant said...

wishiwasmerckx @ 6:50 PM. I think you mean raison d'être

Anonymous said...

In other news, condescending Australian cockwomble is condescending.

Anonymous said...

In other news, condescending Australian cockwomble is condescending.

janinedm said...

Leroy, I'd definitely, DEFINITELY opt for B. In the course of the shopping, thinking about what she needs (step though situation, or a flat bar situation, or a road bike situation) will get her also picturing the kind of rides she might do with you. And then when she gets the bike, she might be more excited about using it. I think the main thing will be fending off the pushiness of the sales guys and resisting the urge to make suggestions reflecting the sort of rides you picture doing. Just keep it to a low-pressure "this setup is good for this and this setup is good for that and the drawbacks for either are these." The positive experience on whatever bike she chooses could serve to be a gateway to more bikes and more kinds of rides, if you two don't start out being into the same thing. That's my two cents.

wishiwasmerckx said...

More of a Pedant, Touche.

I am too stupid and to lazy to know how to insert a circumflex (or an accent aigu)on my thoroughly American keyboard.

N/A said...

WIWM keyboard so American, it rolls coal!

Not much of a Pendant said...

"to lazy"?

"too lazy"

bieks said...

As long as you have a T-25 on your multitool, you don't need to use that horrible inner dial on the BB7s. Hated those things for years until I slowly learned how to adjust them. A friend got dual action mech calipers - don't remember brand. Sound interesting if they require less adjustment.

1904 Cadardi said...

Some real pendantphiles here. How soon till Roy Moore asks to join in?

Anonymous said...

Snobby, That Jones, bar sticks out a bit; I am assuming that you compensated with a shorter stem? that seems to be the common course of action.

As an Old guy I am loath to remove my bar ends as well, Still Loving my Violet Control techs on my Monster Fat. Not sure why they fell out of fashion? - masmojo

BikeSnobNYC said...

bieks,

Yeah, I don't think any of my antique multitools have one but you're right, I should probably carry one.

Anonymous 12:15pm,

Rest assured I will experiment with positioning.

--Bike Snob nYC

Some guy from upstate said...

JLRB - I've done the Cranksgiving way up here in Albany a number of times - it's a blast. The stares from grocery shoppers at the sight of people in bikey-gear running through grocery stores are worth the price of admission. I usually just use a backpack - the list is usually canned or boxed food or beverages, sometimes a bag of potatoes, nothing squashable.

Schisthead said...

FWIW: The open bar is also made by nitto, is steel, and rides nice albeit with only one super comfy hand position. IIRC the jones bars are either AL or carpet fiber?

FYI FWIW: The open is a very nice bar, but is rather unsuitable for aggressive riding, which is a pity since the hand position is actually not that bad for it.

I think the jonesey bars have that nailed down.

Skidmark said...

Anonymous @12:15pm Jones-bar gives something of the hand/elbow/wrist position of bar-ends but in a stronger position. Also you now have brake levers-brilliant. Plus they are virtually snag-free. With hands angled back and closer to your hips, even though fairly wide, the bars kinda side-step trees(etc) as you turn in. Fellow old-schooler. Cheers.